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by Garth Banninga

In viewing some of the Michigan UA boundaries, I've found that some current MPO modeled areas bleed into other UAs. For instance, a portion of the Holland model area is now in the Grand Rapids UA. Also, the Muskegon UA now extends into a county that is not part of its model area. So, what are the implications of such cases? What is the process for MPOs to reconcile their boundaries in such cases, or should one expect no changes. I'd appreciate any clarifications on this issue. Garth Banninga, Planner MDOT-Planning Statewide Model Unit 425 W. Ottawa St. Lansing, MI 48933 517.335.2959

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RE: [CTPP] UA conversion

by Wrafter, Eoin

I agree Brian I too had someone do the conversion in ArcInfo and it matched the results from TIGER reader in ArcView 3.2. Although the field name is incorrect it appears the underlying data maybe correct. Eoin Wrafter, AICP Senior Planner Poughkeepsie-Dutchess County Transportation Council 27 High Street, 2nd Floor Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 Phone (845) 486-3600 Fax (845) 486-3610 ewrafter(a)co.dutchess.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lakeman [mailto:Blakeman@gtcmpo.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:41 PM To: 'Banette Kritzky'; kwillet(a)ardc.org; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net; treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu Subject: RE: [CTPP] UA conversion I too have found this. I had someone with Arc/Info graciously convert a few counties worth of 2000UA data for me. When I ran TIGER Reader in ArcView and chose "Urbanized Areas 1990" as the field to extract, the results matched up exactly with the Arc/Info converted files. Has anyone else noticed this? It appears that TIGER Reader may be doing the conversion correctly, even though the field is named incorrectly. Brian Lakeman Genesee Transportation Council -----Original Message----- From: Banette Kritzky [mailto:banette.kritzky@dot.state.mn.us] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:50 PM To: kwillet(a)ardc.org; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net; treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu Subject: Re: [CTPP] UA conversion I also used the Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a in an attempt to extract the UAs. I am, however, puzzled by the following: a) if this Reader only extracts 1990 data, why was one of the layers titled ALR/LUCA 2000; and b) after reprojecting the extracted UA90 layer and overlaying my block2000 census data, why do the boundaries match up almost exactly (except for a couple of donut holes) ? Could it be possible the Reader actually extracted the 2000 data, but is using the old field naming convention? This list serve has been a great relief knowing there are others out there trying to work through the same problems. Banette =================================== Banette Kritzky GIS Coordinator Mn/DOT Office of Investment Management MS 440, 3rd Floor, Mn/DOT Central Office 395 John Ireland Blvd St. Paul, MN 55155 (651) 296-0220 banette.kritzky(a)dot.state.mn.us >>> "Tom Reinauer" <treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu> 5/8/2002 12:08:26 PM >>> I tried using Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a and have had no luck. The UA data record also appears to be 1990, not 2000. We have cross-border issues and split urbanized areas and would really like to see the new boundaries before the Fall. Someone out there must know of a fairly simple process(or develop a simple process) to convert the boundary data into an ArcView shape file, considering the proliferation of ESRI products. Tom Reinauer, Transportation Director Southern Maine RPC 21 Bradeen St. Suite 304 Springvale, ME 04083 (207)324-2952 FAX -2958 treinauer(a)server.eddmaine.org www.smrpc.maine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendis Willet" <kwillet(a)ardc.org> To: <ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [CTPP] UA conversion > So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a > third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the > Census site? > > Thanks, > Kendis > > > Kendis Willet > GIS Specialist > Metropolitan Interstate Committee > Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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Re: [CTPP] UA conversion

by Tom Reinauer

I tried using Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a and have had no luck. The UA data record also appears to be 1990, not 2000. We have cross-border issues and split urbanized areas and would really like to see the new boundaries before the Fall. Someone out there must know of a fairly simple process(or develop a simple process) to convert the boundary data into an ArcView shape file, considering the proliferation of ESRI products. Tom Reinauer, Transportation Director Southern Maine RPC 21 Bradeen St. Suite 304 Springvale, ME 04083 (207)324-2952 FAX -2958 treinauer(a)server.eddmaine.org www.smrpc.maine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendis Willet" <kwillet(a)ardc.org> To: <ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [CTPP] UA conversion > So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a > third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the > Census site? > > Thanks, > Kendis > > > Kendis Willet > GIS Specialist > Metropolitan Interstate Committee > Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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RE: [CTPP] UA conversion

by Brian Lakeman

I too have found this. I had someone with Arc/Info graciously convert a few counties worth of 2000UA data for me. When I ran TIGER Reader in ArcView and chose "Urbanized Areas 1990" as the field to extract, the results matched up exactly with the Arc/Info converted files. Has anyone else noticed this? It appears that TIGER Reader may be doing the conversion correctly, even though the field is named incorrectly. Brian Lakeman Genesee Transportation Council -----Original Message----- From: Banette Kritzky [mailto:banette.kritzky@dot.state.mn.us] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:50 PM To: kwillet(a)ardc.org; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net; treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu Subject: Re: [CTPP] UA conversion I also used the Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a in an attempt to extract the UAs. I am, however, puzzled by the following: a) if this Reader only extracts 1990 data, why was one of the layers titled ALR/LUCA 2000; and b) after reprojecting the extracted UA90 layer and overlaying my block2000 census data, why do the boundaries match up almost exactly (except for a couple of donut holes) ? Could it be possible the Reader actually extracted the 2000 data, but is using the old field naming convention? This list serve has been a great relief knowing there are others out there trying to work through the same problems. Banette =================================== Banette Kritzky GIS Coordinator Mn/DOT Office of Investment Management MS 440, 3rd Floor, Mn/DOT Central Office 395 John Ireland Blvd St. Paul, MN 55155 (651) 296-0220 banette.kritzky(a)dot.state.mn.us >>> "Tom Reinauer" <treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu> 5/8/2002 12:08:26 PM >>> I tried using Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a and have had no luck. The UA data record also appears to be 1990, not 2000. We have cross-border issues and split urbanized areas and would really like to see the new boundaries before the Fall. Someone out there must know of a fairly simple process(or develop a simple process) to convert the boundary data into an ArcView shape file, considering the proliferation of ESRI products. Tom Reinauer, Transportation Director Southern Maine RPC 21 Bradeen St. Suite 304 Springvale, ME 04083 (207)324-2952 FAX -2958 treinauer(a)server.eddmaine.org www.smrpc.maine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendis Willet" <kwillet(a)ardc.org> To: <ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [CTPP] UA conversion > So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a > third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the > Census site? > > Thanks, > Kendis > > > Kendis Willet > GIS Specialist > Metropolitan Interstate Committee > Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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Re: [CTPP] UA conversion

by Banette Kritzky

I also used the Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a in an attempt to extract the UAs. I am, however, puzzled by the following: a) if this Reader only extracts 1990 data, why was one of the layers titled ALR/LUCA 2000; and b) after reprojecting the extracted UA90 layer and overlaying my block2000 census data, why do the boundaries match up almost exactly (except for a couple of donut holes) ? Could it be possible the Reader actually extracted the 2000 data, but is using the old field naming convention? This list serve has been a great relief knowing there are others out there trying to work through the same problems. Banette =================================== Banette Kritzky GIS Coordinator Mn/DOT Office of Investment Management MS 440, 3rd Floor, Mn/DOT Central Office 395 John Ireland Blvd St. Paul, MN 55155 (651) 296-0220 banette.kritzky(a)dot.state.mn.us >>> "Tom Reinauer" <treinauer(a)edd.uct.usm.maine.edu> 5/8/2002 12:08:26 PM >>> I tried using Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a and have had no luck. The UA data record also appears to be 1990, not 2000. We have cross-border issues and split urbanized areas and would really like to see the new boundaries before the Fall. Someone out there must know of a fairly simple process(or develop a simple process) to convert the boundary data into an ArcView shape file, considering the proliferation of ESRI products. Tom Reinauer, Transportation Director Southern Maine RPC 21 Bradeen St. Suite 304 Springvale, ME 04083 (207)324-2952 FAX -2958 treinauer(a)server.eddmaine.org www.smrpc.maine.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendis Willet" <kwillet(a)ardc.org> To: <ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [CTPP] UA conversion > So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a > third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the > Census site? > > Thanks, > Kendis > > > Kendis Willet > GIS Specialist > Metropolitan Interstate Committee > Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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Re: [CTPP] Thanks!

by celia.g.boertlein＠census.gov

There are several ways to get to the release schedule. The most direct way is directly through the following link -- http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2002/demoprofiles.html Patty Becker <pbecker(a)umich.ed To: "Carol Palmoski" <PALMOSKI(a)co.lancaster.pa.us>, u> ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Sent by: cc: owner-ctpp-news@c Subject: Re: [CTPP] Thanks! hrispy.net 05/08/2002 01:34 PM Over the next month, Summary File 3 profiles will be released, a few states at a time. The last of the states come out on June 4 (which is where Michigan is). The release schedule is probably somewhere on the census web site, but I couldn't find it on FactFinder. I think they're saying 3 days from the release date until the profiles are up in .pdf on the web. These profiles will be for states, counties, and "cities and towns." Hope this helps. Patty Becker At 11:33 AM 05/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know when data will be released on poverty, household incomes, >etc. at the municipal level? > >Carol Palmoski >Lancaster County Planning Commission >50 North Duke Street >Lancaster, Pennsylvania ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker 248/354-6520 APB Associates/SEMCC FAX 248/354-6645 28300 Franklin Road Home 248/355-2428 Southfield, MI 48034 pbecker(a)umich.edu

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Re: [CTPP] Thanks!

by Carol Palmoski

Does anyone know when data will be released on poverty, household incomes, etc. at the municipal level? Carol Palmoski Lancaster County Planning Commission 50 North Duke Street Lancaster, Pennsylvania

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Re: [CTPP] UA conversion

by Dan Seidensticker

Hi Kendis, The formatting for the records in the UA TIGER files are a little different than the previous release so you won't get the correct results using the TIGER tools in Arc 8. If you do convert the UA TIGER files with ArcTools you will notice that the first 4 of the 5 digits for the 2000 UA Code end up in field UA90 and last digit in UR90. You can see why this happens if you compare the formatting of the ArcInfo result for Record Type A to the Census Documentation for Record Type A (Chapter 6, p.12). In other words UA90+UR90=UA. So, you can get a look at the Urban Areas if you relate Record Type A to the Census Geography using CENPOLID and concatenate fields UA90 and UR90. But I personally am going to hold off doing much more work with the UA TIGER files until ESRI updates the conversion tools. I'm sure there are other formatting changes that I'm not aware of. ---------------------- GIS Trivia Question: The GIS software maker Idrisi was named after: Galaxy Cartographer born 1099 A.D. in Morocco Their CEO's son A city in Egypt ____________________ Dan Seidensticker GIS Specialist Madison Area Metropolitan Planning Organization, City of Madison Planning Unit 121 S. Pinckney Street, Suite 400 Madison, WI 53703 Voice: 608-266-9119 Fax: 608-261-9967 Email: dseidensticker(a)ci.madison.wi.us www.ci.madison.wi.us >>> Kendis Willet <kwillet(a)ardc.org> 05/08/02 10:52AM >>> So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the Census site? Thanks, Kendis Kendis Willet GIS Specialist Metropolitan Interstate Committee Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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Fwd: Re: [CTPP] Census 2000 Block or Block Group Demographics

by Peter H. Van Demark

Sweson: >I used Maptitude's TIGER/Line Import function without any problem. The >TIGER Version is 2000. Feature to import is "Census Urban Areas." I >converted the projection to NAD83. Now, I have to join all 9 Counties >together and get pertinent Census 2000 Block or Block Group demographics >for further analysis. I would welcome any suggestions as to steps for >doing this and procedures and considerations for revising the >Metropolitan Planning Area. The SF 1 Data CDs, available by state for $195 each, have the full SF 1 tables for each summary level down to Census blocks. The State Data CDs, also available by state for $195 each, have geographic files for all of the summary levels within a state, down to Census blocks, plus other geographic files such as streets. Maptitude and TransCAD come with nationwide geographic files down to Census tracts, and the demographic profile for SF 1 for each of those summary levels. For more information on geographic and Census 2000 demographic data available from Caliper Corporation, visit (http://www.caliper.com/ovudata.htm). Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Van Demark Director of GIS Products and Training Phone: 617-527-4700 Caliper Corporation Fax: 617-527-5113 1172 Beacon Street E-mail: peter(a)caliper.com Newton MA 02461-9926 Web site: http://www.caliper.com

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UA conversion

by Kendis Willet

So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the Census site? Thanks, Kendis Kendis Willet GIS Specialist Metropolitan Interstate Committee Email: kwillet(a)ardc.org

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