[H+T--Friends] From Atlantic Cities newsletter--Infographic on case for public transportation attached
17 Jul
2012
17 Jul
'12
8:50 p.m.
See easy to visualize benefits of public transportation environmentally and
economically.
Ellin
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18 Jul
18 Jul
9:01 a.m.
A little phonus-balonus in this infographic: " the average daily work commute costs
about
$2.25 each way in a car compared to $1.02 for the average public transit fare." Try
finding a public transit commute fare for $1.02 a ride. In the DC area for, example, the
minimum fare is about three times that. Plus, even on a well-managed bus-oriented public
transit system, operating expense recovery at the fare box is about 40%, which makes the
real cost more than double what the rider pays into the fare box. And even this figure
excludes capital cost. There are many advantages to public transit, but we should not
fudge or exaggerate the figures.
Marc Brenman
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9:54 a.m.
That's true, and probably more the case for the $2.25 car trip. Think about the cost
of constructing all of our roads that serve mainly personal automobiles, lighting,
maintenance and drainage on those roads, not to mention the environmental and health
externalities. $2.25 is a steal!
Nicole Schneider
On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:42 AM,
"mbrenman001@comcast.net<mailto:mbrenman001@comcast.net>"
<mbrenman001@comcast.net<mailto:mbrenman001@comcast.net>> wrote:
A little phonus-balonus in this infographic: "the average daily work commute costs
about
$2.25 each way in a car compared to $1.02 for the average public transit fare." Try
finding a public transit commute fare for $1.02 a ride. In the DC area for, example, the
minimum fare is about three times that. Plus, even on a well-managed bus-oriented public
transit system, operating expense recovery at the fare box is about 40%, which makes the
real cost more than double what the rider pays into the fare box. And even this figure
excludes capital cost. There are many advantages to public transit, but we should not
fudge or exaggerate the figures.
Marc Brenman
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That's true, and probably more the case for the $2.25 car trip. Think about the cost
of constructing all of our roads that serve mainly personal automobiles, lighting,
maintenance and drainage on those roads, not to mention the environmental and health
externalities. $2.25 is a steal!
Nicole Schneider
On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:42 AM, "mbrenman001(a)comcast.net"
<mbrenman001(a)comcast.net> wrote:
A little phonus-balonus in this infographic: "the average daily work commute costs
about
$2.25 each way in a car compared to $1.02 for the average public transit fare." Try
finding a public transit commute fare for $1.02 a ride. In the DC area for, example, the
minimum fare is about three times that. Plus, even on a well-managed bus-oriented public
transit system, operating expense recovery at the fare box is about 40%, which makes the
real cost more than double what the rider pays into the fare box. And even this figure
excludes capital cost. There are many advantages to public transit, but we should not
fudge or exaggerate the figures.
Marc Brenman
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From: "Ellin Reisner" <reisnere51(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:50:10 PM
Subject: [H+T--Friends] From Atlantic Cities newsletter--Infographic on case for public
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See easy to visualize benefits of public transportation environmentally and
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19 Jul
19 Jul
7:51 a.m.
Okay, don't get me started.
That $2.25 does not take into account the cost of road maintenance, health
ramifications (which have costs), costs of injury and death on the roads,
etc.
There is a movement, not too big, to make transit fare free because of its
benefits to society. This way, the average fare would be less than a
dollar. In my opinion, as important as cheap fares are frequency,
reliability, convenience and a pedestrian street network that supports
access to transit.
My rant for the day.
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