Poor Ed. If the Bureau won't even take HIM into consideration, then I know that MY vote won't amount to anything! Bob Paddock Transportation Planning Metropolitan Council - Twin Cities -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ed Christopher Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:52 PM To: ctpp-news maillist Subject: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 We all knew this was coming but I for one have been in denial. I think the Bureau is underestimating how the change will affect me. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:16:59 -0600 From: U.S. Census Bureau <census(a)subscriptions.census.gov> LATEST NEWS December 15, 2011 Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 ============= What Will Happen? The Legacy Version of American FactFinder will be discontinued January 20, 2012. ============= How will this affect you? Any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work. 1. Deep links to specific products from these datasets will not be available: * 1990 Census * 2000-2004 American Community Survey * 2000-2001 Supplementary Survey * 1997 Economic Census * 2003 Annual Survey of Manufactures * 2003 Nonemployer Statistics 2. These products will only be available through an archived FTP format. Instructions on how to access these archived products will be provided in future updates. 3. All other current and previous year data from the American Community Survey, Puerto Rico Community Survey, Annual Population Estimates, Economic Census, and Annual Economic Surveys are available at http://factfinder2.census.gov ============= What do you need to do? Use the how-to guide for Building Deep Links into the New American Factfinder to create links to the NEW American FactFinder. Look for additional updates in the coming weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Census Bureau ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent to edc(a)berwyned.com by U.S. Census Bureau · 4600 Silver Hill Road · Washington, DC 20233 Powered by GovDelivery -- Ed Christopher 708-283-3534 (V) 708-574-8131 (cell) FHWA RC-TST-PLN 4749 Lincoln Mall Drive, Suite 600 Matteson, IL 60443 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

The 1990 data and all data on the legacy Factfinder is not going away (or to FTP access only), it will be moved to the new AFF2. At least that's what is indicated here: http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/aff_transition.html "The transition from the legacy American FactFinder to the NEW American FactFinder will continue through the fall of 2011. Data on the legacy FactFinder will be moved to the NEW FactFinder in the coming months." -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Lupton Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:38 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: RE: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 I strongly agree with Bob Paddock and Ed Christopher about AFF2 and discontinuation of "legacy" AFF. I'm slowly coming to terms with AFF2; it even has a few advantages, but overall the change is a major loss both for the data-using public AND for us data professionals. The loss of 1990 Census, except through FTP, will be painful and will definitely further erode data access for my organization. I'm glad Ed promised updates for how to access these figures once they descend to the FTP basement. Jonathan Lupton Metroplan Little Rock -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Paddock, Bob Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:36 PM To: 'ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net' Subject: RE: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 Poor Ed. If the Bureau won't even take HIM into consideration, then I know that MY vote won't amount to anything! Bob Paddock Transportation Planning Metropolitan Council - Twin Cities -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ed Christopher Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:52 PM To: ctpp-news maillist Subject: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 We all knew this was coming but I for one have been in denial. I think the Bureau is underestimating how the change will affect me. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:16:59 -0600 From: U.S. Census Bureau <census(a)subscriptions.census.gov> LATEST NEWS December 15, 2011 Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 ============= What Will Happen? The Legacy Version of American FactFinder will be discontinued January 20, 2012. ============= How will this affect you? Any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work. 1. Deep links to specific products from these datasets will not be available: * 1990 Census * 2000-2004 American Community Survey * 2000-2001 Supplementary Survey * 1997 Economic Census * 2003 Annual Survey of Manufactures * 2003 Nonemployer Statistics 2. These products will only be available through an archived FTP format. Instructions on how to access these archived products will be provided in future updates. 3. All other current and previous year data from the American Community Survey, Puerto Rico Community Survey, Annual Population Estimates, Economic Census, and Annual Economic Surveys are available at http://factfinder2.census.gov ============= What do you need to do? Use the how-to guide for Building Deep Links into the New American Factfinder to create links to the NEW American FactFinder. Look for additional updates in the coming weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Census Bureau ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent to edc(a)berwyned.com by U.S. Census Bureau · 4600 Silver Hill Road · Washington, DC 20233 Powered by GovDelivery -- Ed Christopher 708-283-3534 (V) 708-574-8131 (cell) FHWA RC-TST-PLN 4749 Lincoln Mall Drive, Suite 600 Matteson, IL 60443 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

oh boy. I stand corrected. Ouch! From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patty Becker Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:04 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: RE: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 To quote the census release: ======================================= The Legacy Version of American FactFinder will be discontinued January 20, 2012. How will this affect you? Any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work. 1. Deep links to specific products from these datasets will not be available: * 1990 Census * 2000-2004 American Community Survey * 2000-2001 Supplementary Survey * 1997 Economic Census * 2003 Annual Survey of Manufactures * 2003 Nonemployer Statistics 2. These products will only be available through an archived FTP format. Instructions on how to access these archived products will be provided in future updates. 3. All other current and previous year data from the American Community Survey, Puerto Rico Community Survey, Annual Population Estimates, Economic Census, and Annual Economic Surveys are available at http://factfinder2.census.gov<http://links.govdelivery.com:80/track?type…;http://factfinder2.census.gov>. ========================================================= This means that the data sets in list 1, including the 1990 census, will NOT be on AFF2. We will have to see what the new deep links mean. I join the chorus that says this is a very stupid move. They could leave legacy AFF up there, with no maintenance, for users who want it. Patty Becker At 10:30 AM 12/16/2011, you wrote: The 1990 data and all data on the legacy Factfinder is not going away (or to FTP access only), it will be moved to the new AFF2. At least that's what is indicated here: http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/aff_transition.html "The transition from the legacy American FactFinder to the NEW American FactFinder will continue through the fall of 2011. Data on the legacy FactFinder will be moved to the NEW FactFinder in the coming months." -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [ mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Lupton Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:38 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: RE: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 I strongly agree with Bob Paddock and Ed Christopher about AFF2 and discontinuation of "legacy" AFF. I'm slowly coming to terms with AFF2; it even has a few advantages, but overall the change is a major loss both for the data-using public AND for us data professionals. The loss of 1990 Census, except through FTP, will be painful and will definitely further erode data access for my organization. I'm glad Ed promised updates for how to access these figures once they descend to the FTP basement. Jonathan Lupton Metroplan Little Rock -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [ mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Paddock, Bob Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:36 PM To: &#39;ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net&#39; Subject: RE: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 Poor Ed. If the Bureau won't even take HIM into consideration, then I know that MY vote won't amount to anything! Bob Paddock Transportation Planning Metropolitan Council - Twin Cities -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [ mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ed Christopher Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:52 PM To: ctpp-news maillist Subject: [CTPP] Fwd: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 We all knew this was coming but I for one have been in denial. I think the Bureau is underestimating how the change will affect me. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:16:59 -0600 From: U.S. Census Bureau &lt;census(a)subscriptions.census.gov&gt; LATEST NEWS December 15, 2011 Legacy Version of American FactFinder will Retire January 20, 2012 ============= What Will Happen? The Legacy Version of American FactFinder will be discontinued January 20, 2012. ============= How will this affect you? Any deep links into the discontinued system will no longer work. 1. Deep links to specific products from these datasets will not be available: * 1990 Census * 2000-2004 American Community Survey * 2000-2001 Supplementary Survey * 1997 Economic Census * 2003 Annual Survey of Manufactures * 2003 Nonemployer Statistics 2. These products will only be available through an archived FTP format. Instructions on how to access these archived products will be provided in future updates. 3. All other current and previous year data from the American Community Survey, Puerto Rico Community Survey, Annual Population Estimates, Economic Census, and Annual Economic Surveys are available at http://factfinder2.census.gov<http://factfinder2.census.gov/> ============= What do you need to do? Use the how-to guide for Building Deep Links into the New American Factfinder to create links to the NEW American FactFinder. Look for additional updates in the coming weeks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ US Census Bureau ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent to edc(a)berwyned.com by U.S. Census Bureau · 4600 Silver Hill Road · Washington, DC 20233 Powered by GovDelivery -- Ed Christopher 708-283-3534 (V) 708-574-8131 (cell) FHWA RC-TST-PLN 4749 Lincoln Mall Drive, Suite 600 Matteson, IL 60443 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net http://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patricia C. 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