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by David Kruse

I don't care much for the term "Development Excellence" because it adds to the vagueness already surrounding the term smart growth. It strikes me as another chapter the seemingly unending search for words that will not offend anyone because they can be easily defined anyway one wishes, and often are, perpetuating issue confusion. I think that planners always have to be mindful of their communities when they plan, but there are so many similarities of development and mentality that a book like the "Geography of Nowhere" could be written and be easily defended. My concept of smart growth is that of informing and educating the public. Smart growth is about choices. Too many times, people make decisions based on lack of information or disinformation. If people really want urban sprawl, they need to know the consequences and trade-offs to themselves, their children, and the environment. Let's face it, there are a lot of people out there who are ignorant. They are part of two somewhat overlapping circles of people; those that do not know and those who do not WANT to know. By-and-large, though, I believe that if people are educated about the choices and consequences, they try to do the right thing. Raving on, David Kruse, AICP -----Original Message----- From: michael.aulick(a)ci.austin.tx.us [mailto:michael.aulick@ci.austin.tx.us] Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:17 PM To: korski(a)erols.com; ed.herlihy(a)comcast.net Cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: RE: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory Ken, As the MPO Executive Director in the Austin Texas metropolitan area, I hear a lot about "Smart Growth". I like the term used by the North Central Texas COG better - "Development Excellence." I agree with the NCTCOG that quality of life in land use and transportation is what we're after, whether that be in low density or high density development. All metropolitan areas have some similarities, e.g. predominance of the automobile, but they have some differences, too, e.g. propensity for passenger rail systems in congested corridors. I don't think national trends are helpful to planners in individual areas trying to find solutions to problems with specific local conditions. There is a lot of situation diversity between metropolitan areas and within them, too. Therefore, different solutions work in different places and under different conditions. The solutions should be customized for each area, taking advantage of applicable lessons learned from peer cities. I think that opinionated positions on land use and transportation lead to a "I'm right/ you're wrong" mentality driven by egos that only leads to a lot of heat and not much light in solving urban problems. Thanks for the opportunity, Michael Aulick > -----Original Message----- > From: C Kenneth Orski [SMTP:korski@erols.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:57 AM > To: Ed Herlihy > Cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net > Subject: Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory > > Ed - > Perhaps my point of view will become clearer if you see the entire > Brief, which is attached. Unlike you, most "smart growth" and > anti-automobile crusaders refuse to accept the implications of the > trends revealed by the 2000 census. You would understand what I mean if > you took part (as I do) in some of the other forums devoted to "smart > growth" and anti-automobile proselytizing, such as CNU (Congress of New > Urbanism), STPP and TLC-net. Unfortunately, many "smart growth" and > anti-auto zealots are not as reasonable and clear thinking as you. They > do not let facts interfere with their ideology. > Regards, > Ken Orski > ---------------- > > Ed Herlihy wrote: > > > > Ken: > > > > As one of those who happens to support the Smart Growth movement you can > > rest assured that I was not at all "surprised" by the new data in the > Year > > 2000 Census. Most of us who follow these things, even casually, knew > full > > well that the aggregate trends were (and are) still going in the "wrong" > > direction. Lets remember, the Smart Growth movement is just a "babe in > the > > woods" and it may take decades for the message to take hold. > > > > Perhaps the message of Smart Growth will not take hold and perhaps there > are > > some land speculators who still expect to derive huge profits from > sprawl > > and the proliferation of large lot McMansions. So be it. > > > > But it is not the job of the "new Census data" to send us a message that > all > > of the Smart Growth ideas are a "failure". And it was never the message > > from the Smart Growth folks that the car was going to be obsolete at any > > time in the future. > > > > It is the job of planners to seek out solutions that best serve our > > communities. And, as we dig into the census data, we will most likely > find > > some exceptions to the overall trends that will tell a good story about > > Smart Growth and its benefits. > > > > Ed Herlihy > > Reston, VA > > > > PS. OK, I fully agree the CTPP may not the best list to start a > discussion > > about the merits of Smart Growth. If the list moderators have a > suggestion, > > I will be glad to move the discussion to a more appropriate forum, if > there > > is one. Any suggestions? << File: New Census Data Provides Reality > Check.doc >>

22 years, 6 months

RE: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory

by michael.aulick＠ci.austin.tx.us

Ken, As the MPO Executive Director in the Austin Texas metropolitan area, I hear a lot about "Smart Growth". I like the term used by the North Central Texas COG better - "Development Excellence." I agree with the NCTCOG that quality of life in land use and transportation is what we're after, whether that be in low density or high density development. All metropolitan areas have some similarities, e.g. predominance of the automobile, but they have some differences, too, e.g. propensity for passenger rail systems in congested corridors. I don't think national trends are helpful to planners in individual areas trying to find solutions to problems with specific local conditions. There is a lot of situation diversity between metropolitan areas and within them, too. Therefore, different solutions work in different places and under different conditions. The solutions should be customized for each area, taking advantage of applicable lessons learned from peer cities. I think that opinionated positions on land use and transportation lead to a "I'm right/ you're wrong" mentality driven by egos that only leads to a lot of heat and not much light in solving urban problems. Thanks for the opportunity, Michael Aulick > -----Original Message----- > From: C Kenneth Orski [SMTP:korski@erols.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 10:57 AM > To: Ed Herlihy > Cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net > Subject: Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory > > Ed - > Perhaps my point of view will become clearer if you see the entire > Brief, which is attached. Unlike you, most "smart growth" and > anti-automobile crusaders refuse to accept the implications of the > trends revealed by the 2000 census. You would understand what I mean if > you took part (as I do) in some of the other forums devoted to "smart > growth" and anti-automobile proselytizing, such as CNU (Congress of New > Urbanism), STPP and TLC-net. Unfortunately, many "smart growth" and > anti-auto zealots are not as reasonable and clear thinking as you. They > do not let facts interfere with their ideology. > Regards, > Ken Orski > ---------------- > > Ed Herlihy wrote: > > > > Ken: > > > > As one of those who happens to support the Smart Growth movement you can > > rest assured that I was not at all "surprised" by the new data in the > Year > > 2000 Census. Most of us who follow these things, even casually, knew > full > > well that the aggregate trends were (and are) still going in the "wrong" > > direction. Lets remember, the Smart Growth movement is just a "babe in > the > > woods" and it may take decades for the message to take hold. > > > > Perhaps the message of Smart Growth will not take hold and perhaps there > are > > some land speculators who still expect to derive huge profits from > sprawl > > and the proliferation of large lot McMansions. So be it. > > > > But it is not the job of the "new Census data" to send us a message that > all > > of the Smart Growth ideas are a "failure". And it was never the message > > from the Smart Growth folks that the car was going to be obsolete at any > > time in the future. > > > > It is the job of planners to seek out solutions that best serve our > > communities. And, as we dig into the census data, we will most likely > find > > some exceptions to the overall trends that will tell a good story about > > Smart Growth and its benefits. > > > > Ed Herlihy > > Reston, VA > > > > PS. OK, I fully agree the CTPP may not the best list to start a > discussion > > about the merits of Smart Growth. If the list moderators have a > suggestion, > > I will be glad to move the discussion to a more appropriate forum, if > there > > is one. Any suggestions? << File: New Census Data Provides Reality > Check.doc >>

22 years, 6 months

Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory

by Forinash.Christopher＠epamail.epa.gov

Actually, many smart growth advocates are quite clear headed about the role of the automobile in shaping our built environment, and those who say otherwise are either misinformed or intentionally misrepresenting the facts. Check out the principles and work of the Smart Growth Network (see my .sig for link). Citizens demanding smart growth have cars, and drive them. They also have feet, and walk. They want choices. Some have kids, and want them to have choices. Low-density, single-use, no-choice automobile sprawl doesn't provide the quality of life and choices that many Americans want, and it has demonstrably worse environmental outcomes than smart growth. That same "LDSUNCAS" has a 50-70 year head start and is bolstered by past demographic trends that are now changing (e.g. aging boomers), outdated policies and standards that haven't been changed yet (e.g., transportation funding, street design), outdated mindsets that haven't changed yet (e.g., read the papers!), and a cadre of outmoded professionals who desperately need to defend "business as usual" to keep the funding spigot open. Look around -- what financial stake do many who advocate smart growth have in its success? Then look at the defenders of the status quo. Smart growth is clearly not "no growth". Smart growth is clearly not "anti-auto". Where's the "innovative" alternative to the choice-less, unloved landscape that the old paradigm has built. For more and more Americans, the alternative of choice is smart growth. Time to change. Chris. ------------------------------------ Christopher V. Forinash U.S. EPA: Office of Policy, Economics and Innovation 1200 Pennsylvania Ave NW (MC 1808), Washington DC 20460 (Delivery: 401 M St. SW, #WT-1013D) 202-260-5044 vox 0174 fax; forinash.christopher(a)epa.gov ------------------------------------ Development, Community & Environment Division: http://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth A partner in the Smart Growth Network: http://www.smartgrowth.org C Kenneth Orski <korski(a)erols.co To: Ed Herlihy <ed.herlihy(a)comcast.net> m> cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Sent by: Subject: Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory owner-ctpp-news@ chrispy.net 06/16/2002 11:57 AM Ed - Perhaps my point of view will become clearer if you see the entire Brief, which is attached. Unlike you, most "smart growth" and anti-automobile crusaders refuse to accept the implications of the trends revealed by the 2000 census. You would understand what I mean if you took part (as I do) in some of the other forums devoted to "smart growth" and anti-automobile proselytizing, such as CNU (Congress of New Urbanism), STPP and TLC-net. Unfortunately, many "smart growth" and anti-auto zealots are not as reasonable and clear thinking as you. They do not let facts interfere with their ideology. Regards, Ken Orski ---------------- Ed Herlihy wrote: > > Ken: > > As one of those who happens to support the Smart Growth movement you can > rest assured that I was not at all "surprised" by the new data in the Year > 2000 Census. Most of us who follow these things, even casually, knew full > well that the aggregate trends were (and are) still going in the "wrong" > direction. Lets remember, the Smart Growth movement is just a "babe in the > woods" and it may take decades for the message to take hold. > > Perhaps the message of Smart Growth will not take hold and perhaps there are > some land speculators who still expect to derive huge profits from sprawl > and the proliferation of large lot McMansions. So be it. > > But it is not the job of the "new Census data" to send us a message that all > of the Smart Growth ideas are a "failure". And it was never the message > from the Smart Growth folks that the car was going to be obsolete at any > time in the future. > > It is the job of planners to seek out solutions that best serve our > communities. And, as we dig into the census data, we will most likely find > some exceptions to the overall trends that will tell a good story about > Smart Growth and its benefits. > > Ed Herlihy > Reston, VA > > PS. OK, I fully agree the CTPP may not the best list to start a discussion > about the merits of Smart Growth. If the list moderators have a suggestion, > I will be glad to move the discussion to a more appropriate forum, if there > is one. Any suggestions? (See attached file: New Census Data Provides Reality Check.doc)

22 years, 6 months

RE: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory

by Don Burrell

Thanks for posting the article. I skipped it when I saw the subscription fee. I would like to point out an error in the 2000 source used for the comparisons altho it isn't likely to refute the trends. The article references the Census Supplementary Survey and goes on to say that it is from the long form Census questionnaire. This in not the case as the Supplementary Survey is not part of the Decennial Census and was taken over a year's time from Nov. 1999 thru Dec. 2000. Among its purposes is validating the proposed American Community Survey long term survey procedures with the data collected from the decennial long form survey. Unlike the 20 million households contacted in the Decennial Census long form survey, fewer than 1 million were contacted during the Supplementary Survey. There may also be some differences in the results in a survey taken over a year's time compared to one describing one referenced census week in March. Bicycle commuting comes to mind. The actual Decennial Census long form data for Sumary File 3 is just now coming out, so it wouldn't hurt to re-do these comparisons. Like I said, it's probably not going to make much of a change in the findings, but for analytical purposes I still like to know I'm working with apples and apples. Don Burrell, Senior Planner Bicycle / Pedestrian Coordinator OKI Regional Council of Governments 801-B West Eighth St. Suite 400 Cincinnati, OH 45203-1607 513-621-6300 513-621-9325 - fax dburrell(a)oki.org <mailto:dburrell@oki.org> <A bicycle is an instrument for playing the road> -----Original Message----- From: C Kenneth Orski [mailto:korski@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:57 AM To: Ed Herlihy Cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory Ed - Perhaps my point of view will become clearer if you see the entire Brief, which is attached. Unlike you, most "smart growth" and anti-automobile crusaders refuse to accept the implications of the trends revealed by the 2000 census. You would understand what I mean if you took part (as I do) in some of the other forums devoted to "smart growth" and anti-automobile proselytizing, such as CNU (Congress of New Urbanism), STPP and TLC-net. Unfortunately, many "smart growth" and anti-auto zealots are not as reasonable and clear thinking as you. They do not let facts interfere with their ideology. Regards, Ken Orski ---------------- Ed Herlihy wrote: > > Ken: > > As one of those who happens to support the Smart Growth movement you can > rest assured that I was not at all "surprised" by the new data in the Year > 2000 Census. Most of us who follow these things, even casually, knew full > well that the aggregate trends were (and are) still going in the "wrong" > direction. Lets remember, the Smart Growth movement is just a "babe in the > woods" and it may take decades for the message to take hold. > > Perhaps the message of Smart Growth will not take hold and perhaps there are > some land speculators who still expect to derive huge profits from sprawl > and the proliferation of large lot McMansions. So be it. > > But it is not the job of the "new Census data" to send us a message that all > of the Smart Growth ideas are a "failure". And it was never the message > from the Smart Growth folks that the car was going to be obsolete at any > time in the future. > > It is the job of planners to seek out solutions that best serve our > communities. And, as we dig into the census data, we will most likely find > some exceptions to the overall trends that will tell a good story about > Smart Growth and its benefits. > > Ed Herlihy > Reston, VA > > PS. OK, I fully agree the CTPP may not the best list to start a discussion > about the merits of Smart Growth. If the list moderators have a suggestion, > I will be glad to move the discussion to a more appropriate forum, if there > is one. Any suggestions?

22 years, 6 months

removal from list

by William Morales

How do you get removed from this list?? I apologize that everyone has to read this request.

22 years, 6 months

INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory

by C Kenneth Orski

INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory July/August 2002 ========================================== Abstracts of the latest issue of Innovation Briefs are now available on our website at: http://www.innobriefs.com/abstracts/2002/july02.html + New Census Data Provides a Reality Check + Relieving Highway Congestion + The Myth of the Underfunded Mass Transit + Financing Future Transportation Needs Part I: Short-Term Revenue Enhancements + Toward a Hydrogen-Based Future + "HOT Networks" For a full version, subscribe to Innovation Briefs at an introductory annual rate of $50. Note to our congressional and federal government subscribers: If you are experiencing serious delays in receiving "snail mail," you may request e-mail delivery of Innovation Briefs by contacting us at korski(a)erols.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- INNOVATION BRIEFS 10200 Riverwood Drive, Potomac, MD 20854-1536 Tel: 301.299.1996; Fax: 301.299.4425 Email: korski(a)erols.com ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# #################################################################

22 years, 6 months

1990 Census Tract Maps, 2002 TIGER/Line Files

by Robert LaMacchia

1990 Census Tract Outline Maps The Census Bureau as recreated the 1990 Census Tract Outline maps and has made them available on the web. You may access the 1990 Census Tract Outline maps directly from the ftp site at: http://ftp2.census.gov/geo/maps/trt1990/ Once we have updated the Map Products page (next week), they will be available from that page: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/maps/CP_MapProducts.htm It is important to note that these PDF maps are re-creations of the 1990 Census Tract/BNA outline maps and differ from the original 1990 Census Tract Outline Maps. Similar to the 2000 Census Tract outline maps, these maps are county-based and created for all 1990 Counties/County Equivalents in the United States. All maps utilize 1990 geography; however, display features are based on what was used for Census 2000. These maps show the boundaries and numbers of the 1990 census tracts/BNAs as well as the named features underlying the boundaries. They also show the boundaries, names and codes for 1990 American Indian/Alaska Native areas, counties, county subdivisions, and places. The scale of the maps will be optimized to keep the number of map sheets for each area to a minimum, but the scale and number of sheets will vary by the area size of the county and the complexity of the census tracts. File naming convention: State - stSS_statename (e.g. st12_Florida/); County - SSCCC_countyname (e.g. 12099_PalmBeach/ st12_Florida/); Sheet number/File - 90TSSCCC_(sheet number).pdf (e.g. 90T12009_001.pdf). 2002 TIGER/Line Files I am attaching a PDF with the 2002 TIGER/Line format. As previously mentioned, there are major structural changes in this layout. We have eliminated some record types (3 and 9) and added others (B,E,T,U). We have rearranged the location of the data fields. We have added a large number of reserved fields on some of the record types to account for fields we expect to use in 2003 or later -- fields that will accommodate, for example, the new MA delineations expected from OMB next year based on their new core-based statistical areas. Fields are also set aside to accommodate information we expect to have in files that have been processed through the MAF/TIGER Accuracy Improvement Program. Also, please note that we have added a permanent zero-cell identification number to each node (TZID). The TZID is similar in concept to the TLID and appears on RT I and the new RT T. The possible range for the TZID, with the highest value used for that range, appears in RT R. One of the major difficulties data users had last decade was the mixing of "current" state and county codes with the census tract and block numbers which are uniquely identified only by the census state and county codes. For this reason, RT 1 continues to provide Census 2000 codes even though the distribution unit will be current county. Thus, it is possible that to fully match all the Census 2000 block numbers in a Census 2000 county a user will need to reference multiple "current" 2002 TIGER/Line files. An example of this will be Broomfield County, CO which was created last year (after Census 2000) from parts of four other Colorado counties. We expect that the 2002 TIGER/Line files will contain a small number of counties with improved road coordinates based upon work that we have been doing in the past year. Tentatively, we expect these counties to be included (list is subject to change): 10001 Kent, DE 10003 New Castle, DE 10005 Sussex, DE 12117 Seminole, FL 24015 Cecil, MD 24039 Somerset, MD 24041 Talbot, MD 24510 Baltimore City, MD 39011 Auglaize, OH 39033 Crawford, OH 39039 Defiance, OH 39041 Delaware, OH 39051 Fulton, OH 39069 Henry, OH 39109 Miami, OH 39137 Putnam, OH 39139 Richland, OH 39161 Van Wert, OH 39171 Williams, OH 46065 Hughes, SD If you have any questions, please let me know. We are working on the full documentation, but it will not be ready until the end of the summer. We expect the 2002 TIGER/Line files to be available the last calendar quarter of this year. Bob LaMacchia Geography Division rlamacchia(a)geo.census.govGeography Division

22 years, 7 months

Wondering about SF3?

by ed christopher

This came out today from the Census Bureau for the media... Summary File 3 (SF3): Census 2000 Contains detailed sample data, which is the information compiled from the questions asked on the census long-form questionnaire. Population items include social, economic and housing characteristics. There are 813 unique tables 484 population tables and 329 housing tables. Geography runs from the national level down to block groups and census tract levels. These data will be released on a flow-basis from the end of June through September 2002. The first state scheduled for release is Vermont. (Tentatively scheduled for release in two weeks.)

22 years, 7 months

TRB Poster Material Call

by ed christopher

Attached is a "poster" session call for materials that the TRB subcommittee on Census Data for Transportation Planning has issued. The subcommittee is offering individuals the opportunity to show off the innovative and creative ways they are presenting, analyzing and displaying their census data. If you are doing something with your data that you want to show others this poster session is for you. If you know others doing "innovative and creative" work with their data please pass this along to them. -- Ed Christopher Metropolitan Activities Midwest Resource Center Federal Highway Administration 19900 Governors Drive Olympia Fields, Illinois 60461 708-283-3534 (V) 708-283-3501 (F)

22 years, 7 months

Please remove kchesar@mvrpc.org from list

by Kevin Chesar

To whom it may concern: Please remove kchesar(a)mvrpc.org from the email list - June 18, 2002 will be my last day at this email address. Thank you.

22 years, 7 months

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