Great Idea.
When can it be implemented?
"Peter H. Van
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Frank:
>Perhaps there could be one listserv for announcements only (which does not
>permit replies/group discussion) and another listserv for those of us who
do
>want the "garbage" that goes along with it.
I think the "garbage" that Carol is referring to is all the extra,
unnecessary text. Notice how I just clipped out the portion of your e-mail
that I am reacting to. I think that is what she wants us all to do.
Peter
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South Carolina is also a screen door away from hell in August, but usually
quite nice around Census day. Nearly every region has seasonal weather
issues that make walking unpleasant. Hard to explain the variation entirely
with weather.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Houston [mailto:rhouston@tylertexas.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:42 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] re lack of walking in the south.
Ever walked in Texas in the dead heat of August?
C. Robert Houston
GIS Planner
City of Tyler
423 W Ferguson
Tyler, Tx. 75702
(903) 531-1175
FAX: (903) 531-1170
I am the regional transportation modeler for Anchorage. I am at a loss to
explain why the walk to work rate is so high in Alaska. Anchorage, which
makes up nearly half of the State's population, isn't especially known for
its dense compact development. The remainder of Alaskan towns are much
smaller than Anchorage and are no doubt much more walkable. It would be
interesting to diaagregate the walk to work figures for Alaska in order to
determine its source.
Jon Spring
Senior Transportation Planner
Municipality of Anchorage
Traffic Department
springjr(a)ci.anchorage.ak.us
(907) 343-7994
-----Original Message-----
From: Shinwon Kim [mailto:shinwon@rtc.wa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:18 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to
Work
For MT, maybe farmers contribute.
My guess for AK is that the development pattern might be the reason. I mean
very restrictive natural environment causes more compact residential
developments close to work place.
Shinwon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net [mailto:owner-ctpp-news@chrispy.net]On
Behalf Of Don Burrell
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 7:32 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to
Work
My $0.02:
I think the main influence is urban density which would apply to D.C., N.Y.,
and VT. I am surprised that AK and MT are so high but I have heard also that
in agricultural areas, that farmers report 'walking to work' on their own
farm property rather than 'working at home'. That's still far fetched for
these 2 states. I'll watch the other responses.
Don Burrell, Senior Planner
Bicycle / Pedestrian Coordinator
OKI Regional Council of Governments
801-B West Eighth St. Suite 400
Cincinnati, OH 45203-1607
513-621-6300
513-621-9325 - fax
dburrell(a)oki.org <mailto:dburrell@oki.org>
<A bicycle is an instrument for playing the road>
-----Original Message-----
From: David Saladino [mailto:dsaladino@swrpc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:51 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to
Work
It is interesting to note that 4 of the top 5 walk-to-work states are
northern (i.e. cold) states. While the bottom two are southern states. I
would have thought it would be the other way around. Any thoughts about why
this is? Income, sidewalk connectivity, climate??
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:49 PM
To: Chuck Purvis; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
<snip>
***Top/Bottom States in Walk-to-Work Commute Share
US 2.9%
District of Columbia 11.8%
Alaska 7.3%
New York 6.2%
Vermont 5.5%
Montana 5.5%
...
Tennessee 1.5%
Alabama 1.3%
As a subscriber to a half dozen or more listservs, I receive dozens of
listserv emails every day. To manage my incoming mail I have set up rules
for MS Outlook to automatically place email from each listserv into its own
folder. This keeps the listserv email out of my inbox and separate from my
work related messages. I can then review the listserv email when time
permits, without it cluttering my inbox.
To create rules for handling your email use the "Rules Wizard" under the
"Tools" drop down menu in MS Outlook. A similar feature most likely exists
in other common email apps.
My apologies for adding to the clutter in your inbox, but I felt the
information would be of benefit.
Mark Harrington
Yes, but ...
My point was that the "Census mode share" is this odd measure, that
doesn't measure what people do on a single day, or overall commute
patterns. If my explanation was too simplistic I'm sorry, but it's true
-- the CTPP just does not reflect commute travel mode shares once you
scratch the surface.
However, I always appreciate a snide comment, so thanks.
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U.S. EPA: Office of Policy, Economics and Innovation
1200 Pennsylvania Ave NW (MC 1808), Washington DC 20460
(Delivery: 401 M St. SW, #WT-1013D)
202-260-5044 vox 0174 fax; forinash.christopher(a)epa.gov
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A partner in the Smart Growth Network: http://www.smartgrowth.org
C Kenneth Orski
<korski(a)erols.co To: Christopher Forinash/DC/USEPA/US@EPA
m> cc: dsaladino(a)swrpc.org, ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to Work
06/05/2002 12:23
PM
Forinash.Christopher(a)epamail.epa.gov wrote:
> ...That's one of the flaw's with using CTPP/JTW for much more than
"hmmm"
> factoids, and is clearly a reason why transit shares show up so much
> lower than other observations reveal. > Chris.
======================
The reason for a declining transit share is not the "hmmm" factor bu the
fact that total trip making has increased more than transit ridership.
If you increase the denominator more than the numerator, you get a
smaller fraction.
Q.E.D.
I second the digest idea. I have this on another listserve which has a lot
of discussion and it works well for me; gives me a chance to see what a lot
of people have said before I hit the reply button.
Patty Becker
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28300 Franklin Road Home 248/355-2428
Southfield, MI 48034 pbecker(a)umich.edu
One of the things I like about the CTPP listserv is the ability to discuss, as a
group, national demographic and transportation behavior trends. In fact, I
thought that discussion was one of the reasons for setting up a CTPP discussion
list. Perhaps there could be one listserv for announcements only (which does not
permit replies/group discussion) and another listserv for those of us who do
want the "garbage" that goes along with it.
Frank Miller
Missouri Department of Transportation - District 8
"Carol Palmoski" <PALMOSKI(a)co.lancaster.pa.us> on 06/05/2002 09:57:11 AM
To:
cc: (bcc: Frank O Miller/D8/MODOT)
Subject: [CTPP] Great getting the CTPP News
I am very grateful to get the CTPP news from you, however, I am getting tired of
getting everyone's comments who as to respond to one e-mail. Is there anyway of
just getting the initial information from you and not all of the garbage that
goes with it?
Carol K. Palmoski,
Lancaster County Planning Commission
50 North Duke Street
Lancaster, PA,
palmoski(a)co.lancaster.pa.us
Hey David and list,
Keep in mind the Census date is 4/1/2000, and the question (if I
remember correctly) asks for usual main mode to work over the past week.
That's one of the flaw's with using CTPP/JTW for much more than "hmmm"
factoids, and is clearly a reason why transit shares show up so much
lower than other observations reveal. For example, I don't take transit
to work every day, but I do so at least once a week, and sometimes for
the trip to and not from, etc.
Chris.
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Christopher V. Forinash
U.S. EPA: Office of Policy, Economics and Innovation
1200 Pennsylvania Ave NW (MC 1808), Washington DC 20460
(Delivery: 401 M St. SW, #WT-1013D)
202-260-5044 vox 0174 fax; forinash.christopher(a)epa.gov
------------------------------------
Development, Community & Environment Division:
http://www.epa.gov/smartgrowth
A partner in the Smart Growth Network: http://www.smartgrowth.org
David Saladino
<dsaladino@swrpc To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
.org> cc:
Sent by: Subject: RE: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to Work
owner-ctpp-news@
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06/05/2002 08:51
AM
Please respond
to dsaladino
It is interesting to note that 4 of the top 5 walk-to-work states are
northern (i.e. cold) states. While the bottom two are southern states.
I
would have thought it would be the other way around. Any thoughts about
why
this is? Income, sidewalk connectivity, climate??
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:49 PM
To: Chuck Purvis; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
<snip>
***Top/Bottom States in Walk-to-Work Commute Share
US 2.9%
District of Columbia 11.8%
Alaska 7.3%
New York 6.2%
Vermont 5.5%
Montana 5.5%
...
Tennessee 1.5%
Alabama 1.3%
My $0.02:
I think the main influence is urban density which would apply to D.C., N.Y.,
and VT. I am surprised that AK and MT are so high but I have heard also that
in agricultural areas, that farmers report 'walking to work' on their own
farm property rather than 'working at home'. That's still far fetched for
these 2 states. I'll watch the other responses.
Don Burrell, Senior Planner
Bicycle / Pedestrian Coordinator
OKI Regional Council of Governments
801-B West Eighth St. Suite 400
Cincinnati, OH 45203-1607
513-621-6300
513-621-9325 - fax
dburrell(a)oki.org <mailto:dburrell@oki.org>
<A bicycle is an instrument for playing the road>
-----Original Message-----
From: David Saladino [mailto:dsaladino@swrpc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:51 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] US States Rankings for Means of Transportation to
Work
It is interesting to note that 4 of the top 5 walk-to-work states are
northern (i.e. cold) states. While the bottom two are southern states. I
would have thought it would be the other way around. Any thoughts about why
this is? Income, sidewalk connectivity, climate??
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:49 PM
To: Chuck Purvis; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
<snip>
***Top/Bottom States in Walk-to-Work Commute Share
US 2.9%
District of Columbia 11.8%
Alaska 7.3%
New York 6.2%
Vermont 5.5%
Montana 5.5%
...
Tennessee 1.5%
Alabama 1.3%