Thanks for posting the article. I skipped it when I saw the subscription fee. I would like to point out an error in the 2000 source used for the comparisons altho it isn't likely to refute the trends. The article references the Census Supplementary Survey and goes on to say that it is from the long form Census questionnaire. This in not the case as the Supplementary Survey is not part of the Decennial Census and was taken over a year's time from Nov. 1999 thru Dec. 2000. Among its purposes is validating the proposed American Community Survey long term survey procedures with the data collected from the decennial long form survey. Unlike the 20 million households contacted in the Decennial Census long form survey, fewer than 1 million were contacted during the Supplementary Survey. There may also be some differences in the results in a survey taken over a year's time compared to one describing one referenced census week in March. Bicycle commuting comes to mind. The actual Decennial Census long form data for Sumary File 3 is just now coming out, so it wouldn't hurt to re-do these comparisons. Like I said, it's probably not going to make much of a change in the findings, but for analytical purposes I still like to know I'm working with apples and apples. Don Burrell, Senior Planner Bicycle / Pedestrian Coordinator OKI Regional Council of Governments 801-B West Eighth St. Suite 400 Cincinnati, OH 45203-1607 513-621-6300 513-621-9325 - fax dburrell(a)oki.org <mailto:dburrell@oki.org> <A bicycle is an instrument for playing the road> -----Original Message----- From: C Kenneth Orski [mailto:korski@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:57 AM To: Ed Herlihy Cc: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] INNOVATION BRIEFS Advisory Ed - Perhaps my point of view will become clearer if you see the entire Brief, which is attached. Unlike you, most "smart growth" and anti-automobile crusaders refuse to accept the implications of the trends revealed by the 2000 census. You would understand what I mean if you took part (as I do) in some of the other forums devoted to "smart growth" and anti-automobile proselytizing, such as CNU (Congress of New Urbanism), STPP and TLC-net. Unfortunately, many "smart growth" and anti-auto zealots are not as reasonable and clear thinking as you. They do not let facts interfere with their ideology. Regards, Ken Orski ---------------- Ed Herlihy wrote: the are all find suggestion, there