23 May
2013
23 May
'13
3:43 p.m.
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but
this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents),
10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
28 May
28 May
1:51 p.m.
It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence
hall office. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying!
Patty Becker
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org <
hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote:
I have not checked other campus area population
counted by census 2010 but
this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents),
10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker(a)umich.edu
5:17 p.m.
I was wondering if you knew that the Census counts dormitory population as Group Quarters,
the same as prison population, army barracks, manors and so forth..
Ali Bonakdar, AICP
Director
Corvallis Area Metropolitan Planning Organization
301 SW. 4th Street, #240
Corvallis, OR 97333
Ph: (541) 758-1911
Fax: (541) 758-1903
Email: abonakda@ocwcog.org<mailto:abonakda@ocwcog.org>
Web: www.corvallisareampo.org<http://www.corvallisareampo.org/>
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It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence hall office.
Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying!
Patty Becker
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org>
<hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org>> wrote:
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC)
28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker@umich.edu<mailto:pbecker@umich.edu>
5:38 p.m.
Thanks Ali. I was just going to say the same thing, but you must type a lot faster than
me! Population in Group Quarters are not attached to any "housing unit."
In Summary File 1, Table P42 is Group Quarters Population by GQ Type.
But the Census could still have the population linked to the wrong block.
Elaine
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Ali Bonakdar
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 3:17 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
I was wondering if you knew that the Census counts dormitory population as Group Quarters,
the same as prison population, army barracks, manors and so forth..
Ali Bonakdar, AICP
Director
Corvallis Area Metropolitan Planning Organization
301 SW. 4th Street, #240
Corvallis, OR 97333
Ph: (541) 758-1911
Fax: (541) 758-1903
Email: abonakda@ocwcog.org<mailto:abonakda@ocwcog.org>
Web: www.corvallisareampo.org<http://www.corvallisareampo.org/>
Note: Per the applicable federal and state laws, all correspondence is public
information.
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[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:52 AM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence hall office.
Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying!
Patty Becker
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org>
<hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org>> wrote:
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC)
28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker@umich.edu<mailto:pbecker@umich.edu>
2:23 p.m.
Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location?
Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?
Elaine Murakami
206-220-4460
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hprawiranata mitcrpc.org
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
5:19 p.m.
If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population
number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30
samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block said 12
houses and my parcel data shows the same number.
I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating
number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed)
vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, Colleges are not
included (special generators). I just found out strange campus population
at block level and I'm wondering the implications.
For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high
population (dorms) and it is wrong.
Hary
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:
Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25
dormitories in
the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?****
** **
Elaine Murakami****
206-220-4460****
** **
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*Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?****
** **
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but
this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents),
10,688.****
** **
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.****
** **
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)****
** **
Any comments ?****
** **
Hary****
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6:19 p.m.
You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group
quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation,
although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles.
Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a
call at 248-354-6520.
Patty Becker
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org <
hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote:
If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how
can CB put
population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly
(20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block
said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number.
I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for
calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and
address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University,
Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange
campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications.
For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high
population (dorms) and it is wrong.
Hary
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:
--
Patricia C. (Patty) Becker
APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC)
28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker(a)umich.edu
Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put
the 25 dormitories in
the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?****
** **
Elaine Murakami****
206-220-4460****
** **
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ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *hprawiranata mitcrpc.org
*Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM
*To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
*Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?****
** **
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010
but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their
parents), 10,688.****
** **
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.****
** **
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)****
** **
Any comments ?****
** **
Hary****
** **
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29 May
29 May
7:48 a.m.
Block-level data of group qrtrs pop by type is available from the 2010 Census Advance
Group Quarters Summary File (see: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/gqsf.pdf)
Since many college students have vehicles parked near their dorms (e.g. at Michigan State
Univ, my alma mater) college student vehicle trips should be part of the travel demand
analysis.
Kevin F. Byrnes, AICP
Director of Regional Planning & Regional Demographer
George Washington Regional Commission (GWRC)
406 Princess Anne St
Fredericksburg VA 22401
Ph (540) 373-2890 (ext 18)
Fax (540) 899-4808
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Patricia Becker
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave
the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible
that people in college GQ have vehicles.
Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call
at 248-354-6520.
Patty Becker
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org>
<hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org>> wrote:
If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population number but no
houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30 samples), the CB block level data
is correct or close, census block said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same
number.
I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating number of
vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed) vehicle registrations
only zip for location). University, Colleges are not included (special generators). I
just found out strange campus population at block level and I'm wondering the
implications.
For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high population
(dorms) and it is wrong.
Hary
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM,
<Elaine.Murakami@dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami@dot.gov>> wrote:
Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location?
Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?
Elaine Murakami
206-220-4460<tel:206-220-4460>
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>] On
Behalf Of hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC)
28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker@umich.edu<mailto:pbecker@umich.edu>
9:16 a.m.
Everyone, thank you for your reply. Like I said, we have treated MSU campus
differently (special generators), we have all data on students and
faculties and we have mapped their movements too (student origin and class
location and time, faculties/staff home addresses to buildings), parking
lots, commuter lots, and student parking permits.
I have not looked into group quarters data, just downloaded it. CB put this
number not in the correct block group, some block groups are correct, 3
block groups covered student residences, but others are a mixed between
city housings with student housings. Big campus block group (I aggregated)
has 16 houses and 861 people, found out a block of resident hall with
population 818 slipped into this block group.
I'm asking this question to know how many people encounters funny number on
census data and probably expand this issue to the implications (can ~10k
population be considered as a constant in population projection (i think
so)?, business/employment (student employment) or traffic impact affected
by this population... for 3 months it disappears..
Hary
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Kevin Byrnes <byrnes(a)gwregion.org> wrote:
Block-level data of group qrtrs pop by type is
available from the 2010
Census Advance Group Quarters Summary File (see:
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/gqsf.pdf) ****
** **
Since many college students have vehicles parked near their dorms (e.g. at
Michigan State Univ, my alma mater) college student vehicle trips should be
part of the travel demand analysis.****
** **
*Kevin F. Byrnes, AICP*
Director of Regional Planning & Regional Demographer****
George Washington Regional Commission (GWRC)****
406 Princess Anne St****
Fredericksburg VA 22401****
Ph (540) 373-2890 (ext 18)****
Fax (540) 899-4808****
** **
** **
** **
** **
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ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *Patricia Becker
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM
*To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
*Subject:* Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?****
** **
You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group
quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation,
although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles.
Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me
a call at 248-354-6520.
Patty Becker****
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org <
hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote:****
If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put
population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly
(20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block
said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number.****
** **
I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for
calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and
address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University,
Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange
campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications.****
** **
For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high
population (dorms) and it is wrong. ****
** **
Hary****
** **
** **
** **
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:****
Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the
wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?****
****
Elaine Murakami****
206-220-4460****
****
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*Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?****
****
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but
this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents),
10,688.****
****
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.****
****
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)****
****
Any comments ?****
****
Hary****
****
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28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
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See ODU analysis of special NHTS add-on for Virginia universities
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5YbcCQfcxM4TE1VRnNKdlVybzA
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To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC)
28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034
office: 248-354-6520
home:248-355-2428
pbecker@umich.edu<mailto:pbecker@umich.edu>
1:15 p.m.
Rob, thanks for the document link, very interesting document !
Hary
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Rob Case <rcase(a)hrtpo.org> wrote:
See ODU analysis of special NHTS add-on for Virginia
universities
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5YbcCQfcxM4TE1VRnNKdlVybzA****
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****
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but
this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents),
10,688.****
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And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block
result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd
but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or
a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of
people live at MSU tunnel.****
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If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census
2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on
campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the
nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)****
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Any comments ?****
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Hary****
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Universities can usually provide you with a count of how many on-campus students in group
quarters have vehicles, via their permit issuances. Many on-campus students do have
vehicles depending on the university.
John Hodges-Copple
Director of Regional Planning
Triangle J Council of Governments
PO Box 12276
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
919-558-9320
mailto:johnhc@tjcog.org / Home - TJCOG<http://www.tjcog.org/>
Street Address: 4307 Emperor Blvd.
Durham, NC 27703
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Patricia Becker
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave
the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible
that people in college GQ have vehicles.
Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call
at 248-354-6520.
Patty Becker
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org>
<hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata@mitcrpc.org>> wrote:
If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population number but no
houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30 samples), the CB block level data
is correct or close, census block said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same
number.
I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating number of
vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed) vehicle registrations
only zip for location). University, Colleges are not included (special generators). I
just found out strange campus population at block level and I'm wondering the
implications.
For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high population
(dorms) and it is wrong.
Hary
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM,
<Elaine.Murakami@dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami@dot.gov>> wrote:
Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location?
Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?
Elaine Murakami
206-220-4460<tel:206-220-4460>
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?
I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is
very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688.
And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1
president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not
counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no
house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel.
If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block
population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus
(residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall
system !)
Any comments ?
Hary
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