I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD “On The Map” tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a “distance” table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to “get right” than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21230 410-732-0500 ext. 1030 mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org> www.baltometro.org<http://www.baltometro.org/> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> https://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

I forgot to mention that you can calculate (driving and transit) travel distance as well using google api. - Kyeongsu ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net &lt;ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net&gt; on behalf of Kim, Kyeongsu &lt;kkim(a)louisberger.com&gt; Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:58:19 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I agree with Steve that LODES does not provide the distance. Find the linked document for LODES. https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf For my previous analysis, I used the centroid of census block group (you can go down to block level) OD and estimated (transit and driving) travel time using google api. LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES ...<https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf> lehd.ces.census.gov 2 Rev. 20160303 The geography crosswalk is a relationship file that establishes the hierarchical connection between each 2010 census tabulation block and all higher ... Kyeongsu (Steve) Kim Senior Planner direct +1.212.383.7233 mobile +1.732.425.1311 email kkim(a)louisberger.com web louisberger.com<http://www.louisberger.com/> Louis Berger 48 Wall Street, 16th Floor | New York | NY | 10005 | USA ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net &lt;ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net&gt; on behalf of Steve Wilson &lt;swilson(a)srfconsulting.com&gt; Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:39:34 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD “On The Map” tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a “distance” table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to “get right” than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21230 410-732-0500 ext. 1030 mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org> www.baltometro.org<http://www.baltometro.org/> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> https://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, you may neither use, copy, nor deliver to anyone this message or any of its attachments. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply mail. 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This is a little bit off-topic, but someone sent the following to me a few minutes ago, which is an interesting portrayal of the 2006-2010 CTPP-based travel patterns across the country. https://www.wired.com/2016/12/mesmerizing-commute-maps-reveal-live-mega-reg… Well, at least I thought it looked rather awesome. Ken Cervenka From: Kim, Kyeongsu [mailto:kkim@louisberger.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:58 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I agree with Steve that LODES does not provide the distance. Find the linked document for LODES. https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf For my previous analysis, I used the centroid of census block group (you can go down to block level) OD and estimated (transit and driving) travel time using google api. LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES ...<https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf> lehd.ces.census.gov 2 Rev. 20160303 The geography crosswalk is a relationship file that establishes the hierarchical connection between each 2010 census tabulation block and all higher ... Kyeongsu (Steve) Kim Senior Planner direct +1.212.383.7233 mobile +1.732.425.1311 email kkim@louisberger.com<mailto:kkim@louisberger.com> web louisberger.com<http://www.louisberger.com/> Louis Berger 48 Wall Street, 16th Floor | New York | NY | 10005 | USA ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> <ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>> on behalf of Steve Wilson <swilson@srfconsulting.com<mailto:swilson@srfconsulting.com>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:39:34 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD "On The Map" tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a "distance" table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to "get right" than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21230 410-732-0500 ext. 1030 mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org> www.baltometro.org<http://www.baltometro.org/> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> https://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, you may neither use, copy, nor deliver to anyone this message or any of its attachments. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply mail. 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Mesmerizing is a good word for it. I think it begs for some other level of analysis of regional correlations, like the favorite beer or how they pronounce "creek". From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 3:41 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work This is a little bit off-topic, but someone sent the following to me a few minutes ago, which is an interesting portrayal of the 2006-2010 CTPP-based travel patterns across the country. https://www.wired.com/2016/12/mesmerizing-commute-maps-reveal-live-mega-reg… Well, at least I thought it looked rather awesome. Ken Cervenka From: Kim, Kyeongsu [mailto:kkim@louisberger.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:58 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I agree with Steve that LODES does not provide the distance. Find the linked document for LODES. https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf For my previous analysis, I used the centroid of census block group (you can go down to block level) OD and estimated (transit and driving) travel time using google api. LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES ...<https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf> lehd.ces.census.gov 2 Rev. 20160303 The geography crosswalk is a relationship file that establishes the hierarchical connection between each 2010 census tabulation block and all higher ... Kyeongsu (Steve) Kim Senior Planner direct +1.212.383.7233 mobile +1.732.425.1311 email kkim@louisberger.com<mailto:kkim@louisberger.com> web louisberger.com<http://www.louisberger.com/> Louis Berger 48 Wall Street, 16th Floor | New York | NY | 10005 | USA ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> <ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>> on behalf of Steve Wilson <swilson@srfconsulting.com<mailto:swilson@srfconsulting.com>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:39:34 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD "On The Map" tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a "distance" table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to "get right" than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21230 410-732-0500 ext. 1030 mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org> www.baltometro.org<http://www.baltometro.org/> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> https://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, you may neither use, copy, nor deliver to anyone this message or any of its attachments. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply mail. 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Hello again, I think Todd's question was somewhat rhetorical, but perhaps I should nevertheless note, in hopes of avoiding any misunderstanding: my use of the words "rather awesome" was not about any particular conclusions that were reached in the study, instead it was about the interesting effort to visualize "commuter travel pattern" data associated with 70,000 census tracts. Ken C. From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Graham, Todd Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:40 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Ken- The analysis you saw comes from a PLOSONE academic article. Looked at it last week. The number crunching was done by Dash Nelson, a geographer at Dartmouth. Dash Nelson's paper is an exploration of: what if we used the same data Census uses for metro area, but changed criteria, changed the parameters and cut-offs... The criteria used are extreme, and the result is extreme. Questions that occur to me: Do you believe Des Moines is "mega region" - or are you instead looking at an artificial region populated by (few) people not tied in to any other surrounding regional economy - and let's call that Des Moines. [EMAILLOGO.png] Todd Graham Principal Forecaster | Metropolitan Council | Regional Policy and Research todd.graham@metc.state.mn.us<mailto:todd.graham@metc.state.mn.us> P. 651.602.1322 | F. 651.602.1674 390 North Robert Street | St. Paul, MN 55101 | metrocouncil.org/data<http://www.metrocouncil.org/data> [ConWUs][FaceBook_32x32]<http://www.facebook.com/MetropolitanCouncil>[… [EmailSU] <https://public.govdelivery.com/accounts/MNORGMETC/subscribers/new?preferences=true> From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 3:41 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work This is a little bit off-topic, but someone sent the following to me a few minutes ago, which is an interesting portrayal of the 2006-2010 CTPP-based travel patterns across the country. https://www.wired.com/2016/12/mesmerizing-commute-maps-reveal-live-mega-reg… Well, at least I thought it looked rather awesome. Ken Cervenka From: Kim, Kyeongsu [mailto:kkim@louisberger.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:58 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I agree with Steve that LODES does not provide the distance. Find the linked document for LODES. https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf For my previous analysis, I used the centroid of census block group (you can go down to block level) OD and estimated (transit and driving) travel time using google api. LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES ...<https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf> lehd.ces.census.gov 2 Rev. 20160303 The geography crosswalk is a relationship file that establishes the hierarchical connection between each 2010 census tabulation block and all higher ... Kyeongsu (Steve) Kim Senior Planner direct +1.212.383.7233 mobile +1.732.425.1311 email kkim@louisberger.com<mailto:kkim@louisberger.com> web louisberger.com<http://www.louisberger.com/> Louis Berger 48 Wall Street, 16th Floor | New York | NY | 10005 | USA ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> <ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>> on behalf of Steve Wilson <swilson@srfconsulting.com<mailto:swilson@srfconsulting.com>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:39:34 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD "On The Map" tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a "distance" table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to "get right" than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... 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Bruce, Take a look at the USDA/Economic Research Service's tract-based Rural-Urban Commuting Areas (RUCAs). They are essentially what you've described below. In addition, a tract-based directional commuting flow method for forming regions was one of the alternative approaches proposed in 1998 as part of the Metropolitan Statistical Area Review Project. Michael Ratcliffe Asst. Division Chief, Geographic Standards, Criteria, Research, and Quality Geography Division U.S. Census Bureau Office 301.763.8977<tel:301.763.8977> Cell 202.253.3449<tel:202.253.3449> Michael.r.ratcliffe@census.gov<mailto:Michael.r.ratcliffe@census.gov> census.gov<http://www.census.gov/> Connect with us on Social Media<http://www.census.gov/about/contact-us/social_media.html> On Dec 11, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Bruce Spear <BSpear@camsys.com<mailto:BSpear@camsys.com>> wrote: I agree with Todd’s comment that the criteria used in the PLOSOME article are extreme, resulting in some rather extreme mega-regions It might be more reasonable to apply the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) criteria for defining metropolitan areas but using Census Tracts instead of entire counties as the geographical units. Under these revised criteria, the core for each “megaregion” would be an urbanized area (population greater than 50,000), as defined by the Census Bureau. Outlying Census Tracts would then be added to each core urbanized area as long as 25 percent of the workers living in that Census Tract commuted to a workplace Census Tract located within the core urbanized area. Census Tracts included in each core would have to be contiguous (i.e., no gaps or skips). And two adjacent urbanized areas could be merged to form a single, combined core urbanized area if 25 percent of the population within the Census Tracts of one urbanized area (as a group) commute to workplace Census Tracts in the other urbanized area. I suspect that the result of changing from counties to Census tracts would expand the currently defined metropolitan area boundaries outward to portions of what are now rural or micropolitan counties, but would not generate the extreme megaregions shown in the PLOSOME article. You could also vary the size of the boundaries by altering the percent population criteria, or by adding a distance or travel time criterion to limit “extreme” commutes. Bruce D. Spear, PhD. Senior Associate Cambridge Systematics, Inc. 100 Cambridgepark Drive, Suite 400 Cambridge, MA 02140 t 617-234-0417 <image001.jpg> www.camsys.com<http://www.camsys.com/> Connect with us <image002.jpg><http://www.twitter.com/Camsys> <image003.png><https://www.linkedin.com/company/cambridge-systematics> <image004.jpg><http://www.facebook.com/Camsys> From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:14 AM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello again, I think Todd’s question was somewhat rhetorical, but perhaps I should nevertheless note, in hopes of avoiding any misunderstanding: my use of the words “rather awesome” was not about any particular conclusions that were reached in the study, instead it was about the interesting effort to visualize “commuter travel pattern” data associated with 70,000 census tracts. Ken C. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Graham, Todd Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 1:40 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Ken— The analysis you saw comes from a PLOSONE academic article. Looked at it last week. The number crunching was done by Dash Nelson, a geographer at Dartmouth. Dash Nelson’s paper is an exploration of: what if we used the same data Census uses for metro area, but changed criteria, changed the parameters and cut-offs… The criteria used are extreme, and the result is extreme. Questions that occur to me: Do you believe Des Moines is “mega region” – or are you instead looking at an artificial region populated by (few) people not tied in to any other surrounding regional economy – and let’s call that Des Moines. <image016.png> Todd Graham Principal Forecaster | Metropolitan Council | Regional Policy and Research todd.graham@metc.state.mn.us<mailto:todd.graham@metc.state.mn.us> P. 651.602.1322 | F. 651.602.1674 390 North Robert Street | St. Paul, MN 55101 | metrocouncil.org/data<http://www.metrocouncil.org/data> <image017.gif><image018.png><http://www.facebook.com/MetropolitanCouncil><image019.png><http://twitter.com/#!/metcouncilnews><image020.png><http://www.linkedin.com/in/toddgraham><image021.png><http://www.youtube.com/user/MetropolitanCouncil> <image022.gif><https://public.govdelivery.com/accounts/MNORGMETC/subscribers/new?preferences=true> From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 3:41 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work This is a little bit off-topic, but someone sent the following to me a few minutes ago, which is an interesting portrayal of the 2006-2010 CTPP-based travel patterns across the country. https://www.wired.com/2016/12/mesmerizing-commute-maps-reveal-live-mega-reg… Well, at least I thought it looked rather awesome. Ken Cervenka From: Kim, Kyeongsu [mailto:kkim@louisberger.com] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:58 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I agree with Steve that LODES does not provide the distance. Find the linked document for LODES. https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf For my previous analysis, I used the centroid of census block group (you can go down to block level) OD and estimated (transit and driving) travel time using google api. LEHD Origin-Destination Employment Statistics (LODES ...<https://lehd.ces.census.gov/data/lodes/LODES7/LODESTechDoc7.2.pdf> lehd.ces.census.gov<http://lehd.ces.census.gov> 2 Rev. 20160303 The geography crosswalk is a relationship file that establishes the hierarchical connection between each 2010 census tabulation block and all higher ... Kyeongsu (Steve) Kim Senior Planner direct +1.212.383.7233 mobile +1.732.425.1311 email kkim@louisberger.com<mailto:kkim@louisberger.com> web louisberger.com<http://www.louisberger.com/> Louis Berger 48 Wall Street, 16th Floor | New York | NY | 10005 | USA ________________________________ From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> <ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>> on behalf of Steve Wilson <swilson@srfconsulting.com<mailto:swilson@srfconsulting.com>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:39:34 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work I wonder if people are referring to the buffer tool available with the LEHD “On The Map” tool. That is distance, but it is not travel distance. From: Cervenka, Kenneth (FTA) [mailto:Kenneth.Cervenka@dot.gov] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:30 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Both Kevin Tierney and Alex Karner are quite right about there not being a “distance” table in the ACS/CTPP files. But now this brings up an interesting secondary question: exactly how is this being calculated in the LEHD product? Unless everyone who commutes to work drives their own car in a mostly uncongested and non-tolled environment, this is actually a lot more complicated to “get right” than one might think, even if a road network-based find-the-minimum-path approach is used. I presume there is documentation about how the distance-based calculations are being done (surely it is something more than a straight-line between two centroids, multiplied by a national factor to represent circuity for auto travelers, but that would be my guess), but a quick search of LEHD and LODE documents did not reveal the answer. Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Tierney Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:27 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work No. Some users noted a desire for it in the recent CTPP Assessment, but others indicated they get that information from their travel models. From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Alex Karner Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 2:21 PM To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> Subject: Re: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work ACS has commute time but not distance. With CTPP you can use OD flows to calculate distance using network approaches or assuming straight lines. No way to get distance directly as far as I know. -Alex -- Alex Karner, PhD Assistant Professor School of City & Regional Planning Georgia Institute of Technology alexkarner.com<http://www.alexkarner.com/> ________________________________ From: Mara Kaminowitz <mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org>> To: "ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:07 PM Subject: [CTPP] Distance travveled to work Hello, Is there a table in ACS or CTPP that gives the distance traveled to work? I know it's in LEHD but I'd like to pin down another source. Mara -- Mara Kaminowitz, GISP GIS Coordinator ......................................................................... Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way Suite 300 Baltimore, MD 21230 410-732-0500 ext. 1030 mkaminowitz@baltometro.org<mailto:mkaminowitz@baltometro.org> www.baltometro.org<http://www.baltometro.org/> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net> https://www.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news This message, including any attachments hereto, may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the attention and use of the intended addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, you may neither use, copy, nor deliver to anyone this message or any of its attachments. In such case, you should immediately destroy this message and its attachments and kindly notify the sender by reply mail. 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