17 Aug
2015
17 Aug
'15
3:02 p.m.
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the "not in labor
force category." The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable
impact on the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a
substantial GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population,
the employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage,
which now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
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17 Aug
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3:28 p.m.
Are there any list/table of "institutional" GQs? This may help resolve this
question. A broad definition of "institution" may be interpreted differently by
different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
Systems Planning Office
Florida Department of Transportation
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450
E-Mail/Respond to:
Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us<mailto:Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us>
(850) 414-4931 Office
(850) 414-4876 Fax
(850) 414-4900 Switchboard
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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Cc: Krause, Henry
Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the "not in labor
force category." The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable
impact on the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a
substantial GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population,
the employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage,
which now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
[cid:image001.png@01CF4355.A65408C0] <https://www.facebook.com/CDDat344>
[cid:image002.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <https://twitter.com/cddat344>
[cid:image008.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://cddat344.tumblr.com/>
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3:53 p.m.
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as non-institutional group quarters, unlike
jails and nursing homes, for example, which are institutional.
Cliff Cook
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Tabatabaee, Frank
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:28 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Cc: Krause, Henry <hkrause(a)cambridgema.gov>
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Are there any list/table of "institutional" GQs? This may help resolve this
question. A broad definition of "institution" may be interpreted differently by
different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
Systems Planning Office
Florida Department of Transportation
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450
E-Mail/Respond to:
Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us<mailto:Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us>
(850) 414-4931 Office
(850) 414-4876 Fax
(850) 414-4900 Switchboard
Be careful, arrive alive!
Communicate!
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[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Cook, Cliff
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Cc: Krause, Henry
Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the "not in labor
force category." The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable
impact on the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a
substantial GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population,
the employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage,
which now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
[cid:image001.png@01CF4355.A65408C0] <https://www.facebook.com/CDDat344>
[cid:image002.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <https://twitter.com/cddat344>
[cid:image008.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://cddat344.tumblr.com/>
[cid:image010.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://instagram.com/cddat344>
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ccook@cambridgema.gov<mailto:ccook@cambridgema.gov>
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4:03 p.m.
I don't think there's any question that dorms are non-institutional GQ.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Cook, Cliff <ccook(a)cambridgema.gov> wrote:
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as
non-institutional group
quarters, unlike jails and nursing homes, for example, which are
institutional.
Cliff Cook
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ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *Tabatabaee, Frank
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*Subject:* Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Are there any list/table of “institutional” GQs? This may help resolve
this question. A broad definition of “institution” may be interpreted
differently by different people.
*Thank you,*
*S. Frank Tabatabaee Systems Planning Office Florida Department of
Transportation*
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
* Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450 E-Mail/Respond to:*
*Frank.Tabatabaee(a)dot.state.fl.us* <Frank.Tabatabaee(a)dot.state.fl.us>
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<%28850%29%20414-4876> Fax*
*(850) 414-4900 <%28850%29%20414-4900> Switchboard*
*Be careful, arrive alive!*
*Communicate!*
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Behalf Of *Cook, Cliff
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*To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
*Cc:* Krause, Henry
*Subject:* [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories
are included in the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS
Subject Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons (
http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…
):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in
the ACS. Some types of GQ populations have employment status distributions
that are different from the household population. All institutionalized
people are placed in the “not in labor force category.” The inclusion of
the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on the
employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a
substantial GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state
prison population, the employment rate would be expected to *decrease *because
the base of the percentage, which now includes the population in
correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized
group quarters residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to
confirm that my understanding is correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were
employed dormitory residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents) included in those statistics? My recollection is that is not the
case but I want to confirm that is correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
*Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager*
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
[image: cid:image001.png@01CF4355.A65408C0]
<https://www.facebook.com/CDDat344> [image:
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cid:image010.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://instagram.com/cddat344>
*www.cambridgema.gov/CDD <http://www.cambridgema.gov/CDD.aspx>*
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4:13 p.m.
Concur… dorms are non-institutional GQ.
Geoffrey Chiapella
Transportation Planner
San Luis Obispo Council of Governments
1114 Marsh Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
(805) 781-5190
gchiapella(a)slocog.org
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Patricia Becker
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:04 PM
To: ctpp
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
I don't think there's any question that dorms are non-institutional GQ.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Cook, Cliff
<ccook@cambridgema.gov<mailto:ccook@cambridgema.gov>> wrote:
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as non-institutional group quarters, unlike
jails and nursing homes, for example, which are institutional.
Cliff Cook
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>] On
Behalf Of Tabatabaee, Frank
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:28 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Cc: Krause, Henry <hkrause@cambridgema.gov<mailto:hkrause@cambridgema.gov>>
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Are there any list/table of “institutional” GQs? This may help resolve this question. A
broad definition of “institution” may be interpreted differently by different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
Systems Planning Office
Florida Department of Transportation
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450
E-Mail/Respond to:
Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us<mailto:Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us>
(850) 414-4931<tel:%28850%29%20414-4931> Office
(850) 414-4876<tel:%28850%29%20414-4876> Fax
(850) 414-4900<tel:%28850%29%20414-4900> Switchboard
Be careful, arrive alive!
Communicate!
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[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Cook, Cliff
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Cc: Krause, Henry
Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the “not in labor force
category.” The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on
the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a substantial
GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population, the
employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage, which
now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
[cid:image001.png@01CF4355.A65408C0] <https://www.facebook.com/CDDat344>
[cid:image002.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <https://twitter.com/cddat344>
[cid:image008.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://cddat344.tumblr.com/>
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18 Aug
18 Aug
3:26 p.m.
Persons in Group Quarters were included in the 1990 and 2000 decennial census long
forms.
That is why it is important to understand the difference in “universes”:
Total persons and Persons in Households.
Total persons INCLUDES people in group quarters.
Persons in Households EXCLUDES people in group quarters.
As a reminder, questions about vehicle availability is asked of HOUSEHOLDS, therefore only
available to tabulate for households.
Means of transportation to work is asked of PERSONS.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
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Geoffrey Chiapella
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net'
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Concur… dorms are non-institutional GQ.
Geoffrey Chiapella
Transportation Planner
San Luis Obispo Council of Governments
1114 Marsh Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
(805) 781-5190
gchiapella@slocog.org<mailto:gchiapella@slocog.org>
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:04 PM
To: ctpp
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
I don't think there's any question that dorms are non-institutional GQ.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Cook, Cliff
<ccook@cambridgema.gov<mailto:ccook@cambridgema.gov>> wrote:
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as non-institutional group quarters, unlike
jails and nursing homes, for example, which are institutional.
Cliff Cook
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>] On
Behalf Of Tabatabaee, Frank
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:28 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Cc: Krause, Henry <hkrause@cambridgema.gov<mailto:hkrause@cambridgema.gov>>
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Are there any list/table of “institutional” GQs? This may help resolve this question. A
broad definition of “institution” may be interpreted differently by different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
Systems Planning Office
Florida Department of Transportation
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450
E-Mail/Respond to:
Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us<mailto:Frank.Tabatabaee@dot.state.fl.us>
(850) 414-4931<tel:%28850%29%20414-4931> Office
(850) 414-4876<tel:%28850%29%20414-4876> Fax
(850) 414-4900<tel:%28850%29%20414-4900> Switchboard
Be careful, arrive alive!
Communicate!
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[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Cook, Cliff
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news@chrispy.net>
Cc: Krause, Henry
Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the “not in labor force
category.” The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on
the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a substantial
GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population, the
employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage, which
now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
[cid:image001.png@01CF4355.A65408C0] <https://www.facebook.com/CDDat344>
[cid:image002.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <https://twitter.com/cddat344>
[cid:image008.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://cddat344.tumblr.com/>
[cid:image010.jpg@01CF4357.3478C720] <http://instagram.com/cddat344>
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home:248-355-2428
pbecker@umich.edu<mailto:pbecker@umich.edu>
3:42 p.m.
Thank you Elaine!
Cliff Cook
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Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:27 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Persons in Group Quarters were included in the 1990 and 2000 decennial census long
forms.
That is why it is important to understand the difference in “universes”:
Total persons and Persons in Households.
Total persons INCLUDES people in group quarters.
Persons in Households EXCLUDES people in group quarters.
As a reminder, questions about vehicle availability is asked of HOUSEHOLDS, therefore only
available to tabulate for households.
Means of transportation to work is asked of PERSONS.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Geoffrey Chiapella
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:13 PM
To: 'ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net'
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Concur… dorms are non-institutional GQ.
Geoffrey Chiapella
Transportation Planner
San Luis Obispo Council of Governments
1114 Marsh Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
(805) 781-5190
gchiapella@slocog.org<mailto:gchiapella@slocog.org>
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net>
[mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 2:04 PM
To: ctpp
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
I don't think there's any question that dorms are non-institutional GQ.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Cook, Cliff
<ccook@cambridgema.gov<mailto:ccook@cambridgema.gov>> wrote:
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as non-institutional group quarters, unlike
jails and nursing homes, for example, which are institutional.
Cliff Cook
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Are there any list/table of “institutional” GQs? This may help resolve this question. A
broad definition of “institution” may be interpreted differently by different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
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Florida Department of Transportation
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Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the “not in labor force
category.” The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on
the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a substantial
GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population, the
employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage, which
now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
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3:58 p.m.
There's a section on it in CIA. Alan
On Aug 18, 2015, at 4:26 PM,
<Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:
Persons in Group Quarters were included in the 1990 and 2000 decennial census long
forms.
That is why it is important to understand the difference in “universes”:
Total persons and Persons in Households.
Total persons INCLUDES people in group quarters.
Persons in Households EXCLUDES people in group quarters.
As a reminder, questions about vehicle availability is asked of HOUSEHOLDS, therefore
only available to tabulate for households.
Means of transportation to work is asked of PERSONS.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
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Concur… dorms are non-institutional GQ.
Geoffrey Chiapella
Transportation Planner
San Luis Obispo Council of Governments
1114 Marsh Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93401
(805) 781-5190
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I don't think there's any question that dorms are non-institutional GQ.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Cook, Cliff <ccook(a)cambridgema.gov> wrote:
The code list for the ACS lists dormitories as non-institutional group quarters, unlike
jails and nursing homes, for example, which are institutional.
Cliff Cook
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Tabatabaee, Frank
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Cc: Krause, Henry <hkrause(a)cambridgema.gov>
Subject: Re: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
Are there any list/table of “institutional” GQs? This may help resolve this question. A
broad definition of “institution” may be interpreted differently by different people.
Thank you,
S. Frank Tabatabaee
Systems Planning Office
Florida Department of Transportation
605 Suwannee Street, MS 19
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0450
E-Mail/Respond to: Frank.Tabatabaee(a)dot.state.fl.us
(850) 414-4931 Office
(850) 414-4876 Fax
(850) 414-4900 Switchboard
Be careful, arrive alive!
Communicate!
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Cook, Cliff
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Cc: Krause, Henry
Subject: [CTPP] Question about Inclusion of Students in JTW Data
A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in
the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject
Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons
(http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some
types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the
household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the “not in labor force
category.” The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on
the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a substantial
GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population, the
employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage, which
now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters
residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is
correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory
residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those
statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is
correct.
Thanks
Cliff Cook
Clifford Cook, Planning Information Manager
Cambridge Community Development Department
344 Broadway, Cambridge, MA. 02139
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