1 Feb
2011
1 Feb
'11
2:53 p.m.
Frank-I totally agree and I would like to see the statisticians get
involved and think about this. People are going to compare overlapping
periods and we have to get smart about how to deal with this.
As for why some say we should not compare overlapping years the story
goes like this. If you have 2006 to 2008 data and 2007 to 2009 data you
would have two overlapping years. According to the logic you would in
fact only be comparing the first year 2006 to the last year 2009 as the
middle two years would cancel themselves out. While this sounds logical
on the surface there has to be a way to deal with overlapping 5-year
periods or it doesn't make sense to have an ACS.
I am not sure if anyone would out right admit it but is anyone designing
performance measures or other regional metrics calling for tracking
annual multi-year period estimates at tracts or places?
Frank Lenk wrote:
I would also be interested in a more detailed
explanation of why we should not compare overlapping period estimates. From a practical
standpoint, people are going to do it anyway, especially the press. What do we need to
know - other than the inherent issues of what is a statistically significant vs.
insignificant change and the fact that ACS was designed to examine characteristics of the
population rather than its level - to be able to correct naïve interpretations of easily
calculated tract-level year-to-year differences in the estimates of things like poverty
rate, unemployment rate, educational attainment rates, etc.? What is a correct
interpretation of these differences?
Frank
Frank Lenk
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Mid-America Regional Council
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From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Kendra Watkins
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:05 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
This is interesting. I recall hearing this guidance in the past. However on the Census
website on the ACS page it specifically states; "Generally, you can compare American
Community Survey (ACS) 3-year and 5-year estimates with Census 2000 data. There are
differences in the universe, question wording, residence rules, reference periods, and the
way in which the data are tabulated which can impact comparability."
The qualifier in the second sentence addresses the conflict (different methods, time
periods etc) but I can't find anywhere on the ACS pages where the Census recommends we
not compare ACS to decennial Census. And when I search by subject the Journey to Work
topic states that I can 'Compare' it to the 2000 Census.
It does specifically state not to compare overlapping years on multiyear estimates.
Kendra Watkins
Senior Data Analyst
Mid-Region Council of Governments
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Albuquerque, NM 87102
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From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Weinberger, Penelope
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:41 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
The CB does not recommend comparing an ACS based data set to a CB Long Form based data
set. The 2000 data represent a point in time estimate, the ACS data represent a period
estimate. Furthermore, the Census Bureau recommends not comparing period estimates with
overlapping years.
Penelope Weinberger
CTPP Program Manager
AASHTO
202-624-3556
http://ctpp.transportation.org/Pages/default.aspx
It's just as bad to not make a plan as to blindly follow the one you already have.
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of
Seidensticker, Dan
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:18 PM
To: (ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net)
Subject: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
We downloaded the2006-2008 ACS county-to-county worker flow for Dane County, Wisconsin
from http://ctpp.transportation.org/Pages/3yrdas.aspx.
The question we now have...can that data be compared to the county-to-county 2000 CTPP
work trips to determine any statistically significant increase/decrease? If so, how
would one calculate the margin of error?
Dan Seidensticker
GIS Specialist
Madison Area Transportation Planning Board:
A Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO)
City of Madison Planning Unit
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Madison, WI 53703
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