Hi Nick,
In addition to what Todd mentioned, we found a few other factors that are
likely to create differences in the ACS vs. LED totals.
The ACS is based on a relatively small sample (~ 2.5% per year) of all
households nationwide, but this sample is expanded based on county
population to produce the totals you see. The problem is that low
frequency events such as work trips between distance zones are unlikely to
be captured in a small sample. When the sample is expanded, the low
frequency trips are still zero, while trips between zones that were
sampled must be given a higher weight to match the county population
totals. As a result, the ACS flows look a lot lumpier than the LED flows,
which do capture the low frequency home and work locations.
The ACS only asks about a worker's primary job, while the LED captures all
workers and employers for covered trips. Therefore the LED picks up flows
of workers with secondary jobs.
Many of the very long distance commutes picked up in the LED are probably
people who are on temporary assignment, living away from their reported
place of residence (as far as their federal tax return is concerned), or
weekend commuters who live in an apartment during the week and travel home
on weekends. There are far too many of these folks reported in the LED
and even in the 2000 CTPP for it to simply be data error.
I suggest you read the final report we did for NCHRP 8-36, 98, title
Improving Employment Data for Transportation Planning. The report
presents the findings from a study we did that examines the differences
between CTPP and LED data, and contains some interesting and useful tables
that compare differences at the state, county, and even Census Tract
levels of geography.
You can download a copy of the report from the TRB website at the
following URL:
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/docs/NCHRP08-36(98)_FR.pdf
Bruce D. Spear, PhD
Cambridge Systematics Inc.
100 Cambridgepark Drive, Suite 400
Cambridge, MA 02140
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fax 617-354-1542
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----- Message from "Graham, Todd" <todd.graham(a)metc.state.mn.us> on Wed, 6
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Re: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD
Reading the documentation of the two data resources: always a good place
to start.
At regional or state level of summary, totally different data frames is
your main issue:
a. Census ACS counts workers through a household survey, relying on
individually-provided info on work. Many kinds of work are counted,
including self-employment and occasional casual work.
b. Meanwhile, the LED uses the data frame of BLS QCEW, counting wage
& salary jobs that are ?covered? by the Unemployment Insurance system. In
Minnesota, over 20% of BEA-counted jobs (a broader employment concept) are
outside of this frame, are *not* covered, and thus not counted in LED.
At local level, there are still other issues:
a. How well can Census ACS represent job locations?
b. And does the LED program move its workplace locations around on
the map, in order to obscure exact location?
Hope that helps. Good luck.
Todd Graham | Principal Forecaster
Metropolitan Council | 390 North Robert Street | Saint Paul, MN 55101
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:22 PM
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Subject: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD
I?ve sent the following query to both the ACS and CTPP but have not (yet)
received a response. I was hoping someone on the mailing list might be
able to provide assistance.
I?ve been working with Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics (LEHD)in
On the Map. Specifically worker inflow/outflow analysis at the county
level. I?ve discovered that there is a significant difference between the
LEHD data and ACS Place of Work data from the 2008-10 3-Year ACS product.
I've found that for the Middle Tennessee (Nashville) region the % of
workers residing outside their home county is nearly 17 percentage points
higher in the LEHD data than in the ACS data. Please see the attached
table.
I've been tasked with determining the reason(s) for this difference. Any
assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you,
Nick Lindeman
Nicholas Lindeman
Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area MPO
800 2nd Ave. S.
P.O. Box 196300
Nashville, TN 37219-6300
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Hi Nick,
The difference comes from different data sample.
As you know, ACS estimates are based on the survey samples. The upcoming 5
year CTPP will be based on same samples.
On the other hand, the LEHD incorporates diverse datasets. There exists
possibility of having significant difference between ACS and LEHD.
I believe, however, Census Bureau tries to minimize the gap.
FYI, please find the link that NYCDOT under Nathan Erlbaum (who just left
us in April) examined.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/policy-and-strategy/darb/dai-unit/ttss/ctt…
Hope this help,
Kyeongsu Kim
Census and Travel Survey
NY Metropolitan Transportation Council
199 Water Street 22nd fl
New York, NY 10038
kkim(a)dot.state.ny.us
1-212-383-7233
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:22 PM
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Subject: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD
I?ve sent the following query to both the ACS and CTPP but have not (yet)
received a response. I was hoping someone on the mailing list might be
able to provide assistance.
I?ve been working with Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics (LEHD)in
On the Map. Specifically worker inflow/outflow analysis at the county
level. I?ve discovered that there is a significant difference between the
LEHD data and ACS Place of Work data from the 2008-10 3-Year ACS product.
I've found that for the Middle Tennessee (Nashville) region the % of
workers residing outside their home county is nearly 17 percentage points
higher in the LEHD data than in the ACS data. Please see the attached
table.
I've been tasked with determining the reason(s) for this difference. Any
assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you,
Nick Lindeman
Nicholas Lindeman
Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area MPO
800 2nd Ave. S.
P.O. Box 196300
Nashville, TN 37219-6300
(615) 862-7198
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Today's Topics:
1. NTD Urbanized Area (John Voges)
2. NTD Urbanized Area (Earl Haugen)
3. Re: NTD Urbanized Area (Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov)
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I talked to our representative from NTD regarding which urbanized area number to use in the NTD reporting screen. He said that NTD determines the UZA population to be used for the transit reporting agency and that we don't determine that or input that data. He also said that the UZA numbers to be used by NTD will be available this fall sometime, around August or September.
John Voges
Sr. Transportation Planner
Ocala/Marion TPO
352-629-8297
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 11:41:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Earl Haugen <earl.haugen(a)theforksmpo.org>
Subject: [CTPP] NTD Urbanized Area
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beginning of an email from NTD regarding transit operators and 2010 urbanized areas:
As most of you already know, the US Census Bureau has recently announced a new set of Urbanized Areas based on the results of the 2010 Decennial Census. Additionally, FTA is required by law to use these new Urbanized Areas for the Fiscal Year 2013 Apportionment, which will be based on NTD Report Year 2011 Data. We are expecting that the Census Bureau will very soon be releasing the final Urbanized Area Boundary maps from the 2010 Census. This e-mail is to provide you with additional information on how that process will work.
Upon release the Census Boundary maps for the 2010 Census, each of you must identify which Urbanized Area (UZA) or Areas are served by your transit system. In addition, you will need to identify whether your transit systems services any rural or non-urbanized areas. An area is served by your transit system if you pick up passengers in that area. (Note: Some demand response systems allow passengers to travel to a particular location, but do not allow trip originations in that area. In this case, do not list these destinations as ?served? by your transit system.) Please note that you must identify all areas served by your system, regardless of whether or not you plan to allocate service data to those areas.
Is this the same as the already released Census urbanized areas (what is new from what has already been released?)? Can we submit our Federal Aid Adjusted Urban Area instead?
Or just stick to a Census define boundary of urbanized.
Thanks
?
Earl T. Haugen
Executive Director
GF-EGF MPO
701-746-2660
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Subject: Re: [CTPP] Urban Area Webinar
Here is the link.? I just tried it so it is working. Again, make sure that you are entering the whole link.
https://www.nhi.fhwa.dot.gov/resources/webconference/web_conf_learner_reg.a…
James Greenstreet wrote:
> I have tried repeatedly, and cannot get this link to work.? Please
> re-send the full link out to us.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Greenstreet
> Kankakee County Planning Department
>
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>
> On March 27, 2012 the Census Bureau released the list of new Urbanized
> Areas and Urban Clusters.? For transportation related activities these
> boundaries have broad and far reaching affects.? Recognizing that it
> is impossible to address each individual situation and question
> separately, staff from the Federal Highway Administration. Federal
> Transit Administration, Census Bureau and others will conduct a 2-hour
> webinar on Boundary Issues and Transportation.
>
> Participants in the webinar can expect to learn about the various
> Transportation related boundaries, where and how they interact with
> the federal programs and the steps that state and local agencies need
> to take to address the boundary related requirements.? Time will be
> allowed for questions and discussion, and additional resources will
> also be made available for downloading.
>
> If you are interested in boundaries from a transportation perspective,
> have a particular question or need to learn about them, this webinar is for you.
> To make sure your questions get addressed you can send it send them to
> ed.christopher(a)dot.gov up to the close of business the day before the
> before the webinar, otherwise they will be handled on a first come
> basis during the webinar.
>
> Space for the webinar is currently limited to 350 connections and
> registration is mandatory, but free.? Folks who can share one
> connection in a conference room setting are encouraged to do so.? The
> webinar will be recorded with closed captioning.? Questions discussed
> during the webinar will be used to update the Frequently Asked
> Questions that FHWA maintains on the subject.? The FAQ can be found at
> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/urbanized_areas_and_mpo
> _tma/f
> aq/
>
> The webinar will be
> Friday, April 27, 2012 from 1:00 PM to 3:00 PM (Eastern Time) It is
> open to everyone.
> Register by? Clicking on the link below.
> https://www.nhi.fhwa.dot.gov/resources/webconference/web_conf_learner_
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