The urban clusters are effective as of being in the Census Federal
Register. For those areas which now have 50,000 population, the Governor
and local officials will have to decide if an existing MPO will handle
that planning work or if a new one is need and who that should be. See
Burbank and Adams memorandum of 12/21/2000
(www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/c2000mem.htm ) They should do this within
12 months of the Federal Register.
For those areas that will be bigger than 200,000, FHWA will publish a
separate Federal Register with the official list of TMAs. After that is
done, the clock starts for them to make the necessary changes for those
requirements.
The earliest that PL funds will be available to new MPOs will be October
2002.
Ben Williams, P.E.
Metropolitan Planning Specialist
Federal Highway Administration
Southern Resource Center
V (404) 562-3671
F (404) 562-3700
ben.williams(a)fhwa.dot.gov
Web Site
www.fhwa.dot.gov/resourcecenters/southern
>>> wschaefer(a)ci.madison.wi.us 05/13/02 03:41PM >>>
I've got a question for FHWA folks. When do the new urban areas become
effective for Federal funding purposes? The FAQ from FHWA someone
referenced does not answer this question. I assume the MPO must submit
its new urban area (based on the Census-defined urbanized area) to FHWA
first.
To give you an example, we have two suburban communities that have been
added to the UA that have shared ride taxi systems funded with Federal
Non-Urbanized Area Formula Program funds. Because they are now in the
UA, they will not be eligible for those funds. The other example is the
use of STP-Urban funding on projects located within communities that are
now within UA boundary, but weren't before. When can these communities
apply for such funds? Thanks in advance for your response(s).
Bill Schaefer,Transportation Planner
Madison (WI) Area MPO
Please remove lyzanto(a)state.mt.us from this list serv and replace with
zkazimi(a)state.mt.us
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: William Schaefer [mailto:wschaefer@ci.madison.wi.us]
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:41 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] Effective Date of New UAs
I've got a question for FHWA folks. When do the new urban areas become
effective for Federal funding purposes? The FAQ from FHWA someone
referenced does not answer this question. I assume the MPO must submit
its new urban area (based on the Census-defined urbanized area) to FHWA
first.
To give you an example, we have two suburban communities that have been
added to the UA that have shared ride taxi systems funded with Federal
Non-Urbanized Area Formula Program funds. Because they are now in the
UA, they will not be eligible for those funds. The other example is the
use of STP-Urban funding on projects located within communities that are
now within UA boundary, but weren't before. When can these communities
apply for such funds? Thanks in advance for your response(s).
Bill Schaefer,Transportation Planner
Madison (WI) Area MPO
I've got a question for FHWA folks. When do the new urban areas become
effective for Federal funding purposes? The FAQ from FHWA someone
referenced does not answer this question. I assume the MPO must submit
its new urban area (based on the Census-defined urbanized area) to FHWA
first.
To give you an example, we have two suburban communities that have been
added to the UA that have shared ride taxi systems funded with Federal
Non-Urbanized Area Formula Program funds. Because they are now in the
UA, they will not be eligible for those funds. The other example is the
use of STP-Urban funding on projects located within communities that are
now within UA boundary, but weren't before. When can these communities
apply for such funds? Thanks in advance for your response(s).
Bill Schaefer,Transportation Planner
Madison (WI) Area MPO
This message is for users attempting to use ESRI software (ArcGIS) to load
the UA Census 2000 TIGER/Line files and have been having problems.
I have been informed by ESRI that they will have a fix for ArcGis Monday:
======================================================
I have been working with ESRI technical support on the issue and a
document describing how to work around the issues with the new 2000 UA
datasets will be online later today or on Monday. The workaround simply
requires the user to update two template INFO files that are a part of our
install. The online document will describe how to manually do this in
ArcCatalog and will also have links to updated files users could just copy.
Once these two templates have been updated, the newly updated record type A
and S fields will be correct in the coverages created by Tigerarc, Tigertool
or the Tiger Wizard in ArcToolbox.
I will also have a link to this document put as a hot topic on our support
web page. These updates were not placed in ArcGIS 8.2, as the code base was
locked down for 8.2 by the time the final UA format file was sent out by the
census bureau. We should have had a document prepared for users before now
and I apologize for the delay in getting this out. Technical support will
handle the support of users having problems with UA datasets and it would be
great if you could tell your people to refer users to
http://support.esri.com/ for a copy of the document I previously mentioned.
========================================================
Bob LaMacchia
I'm using ArcView 3.1, so this may or may not be relevant.
1. Download the read the Technical Documentation that goes with the files;
2. If you remember the process for downloading and converting the PL94 and
the SF1 files, the same goes here;
3. After decompressing the files (WinZip workes fine), rename them to a
.TXT file;
4. Import them into Access, setting field widths as defined in the
Technical Documentation for each individual file
5. Once imported into an Access table, Export the table as a .DBF
6. Now the fun really starts. If you need to concatenate fields to obtain
useable geography (some other listserve posters have done that), I find
it's easier to do that in Excel. Take the .DBF file, open it in Excel, do
your concatenation, and resave it to the .DBF file. Now you can do a JOIN
in ArcView, assuming you have other TIGER mapping with a common field.
Good Luck!
Michael D. Golembiewski
Transportation Modeler
BERKS COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
BERKS COUNTY SERVICES CENTER
633 COURT STREET FL 14
READING PA 19601-4309
ph: 610-478-6300
fax: 610-478-6316
Dear sir/madam,
please replace reigen(a)vrpact.org with tdymkowski(a)vrpact.org
Mr. Eigen is not the person to recieve this information.
Thad J. Dymkowski II
GIS Transportation Planner
Valley Regional Planning Agency
phone (203)-735-8688
fax (203)-735-8680
A colleague of mine forwarded this UA conversion conversation from this email group after I opened a Tech Support call at ESRI regarding this same issue. ESRI Tech Support has been able to recreate what I described to them (as you all found too) and they have opened a bug for me, bug number CQ00166163. Tech support also said no other bugs were logged on this issue as of today (5/9/02). In the meantime, I successfully created a UA 2000 file using the method suggested below. This meant opening and formatting the TGR table in Excel, saving it as a DBF file, opening the DBF Table A in ArcMap. relating on the field "polyid" for each county to the polygon file. Although cumbersome, it does work. Thank You for the suggestion while we wait for ESRI.
Tanya
Tanya J. Mayer, GIS Coordinator
Metropolitan Council
230 E. 5th Street
St. Paul, MN 55101
651.602.1604 (V) 651.602.1674 (F)
tanya.mayer(a)metc.state.mn.us
www.metrocouncil.orgwww.datafinder.org
>>> Jim Bash <jbash(a)uic.edu> 5/8/02 3:58:43 PM >>>
IF the TIGER reader can create the basic tiger poly layer and if it keeps
the field "polyid" then you can read the polygon attribute file into
ArcView separately as a table, do a relate on polyid (then dissolve if you
want a single poly for UA--dissolve is the Arc/Info word, forgot what
ArcView calls it). Whoops, ArcView only reads dbf, info and delimited
text. TIGER is fixed field text so you'd need to read it into Excel and
export as dbase or use some other tool of your choice to get to a dbf.
I will try to take a look at this TIGER Reader but we got Illinois SF3
Profile data today so I'm under the gun to work with it before the press
gets it (tomorrow) and then the public release Tuesday. I suspect the
reason TIGER Reader works is that that the records sizes and basic formats
in TIGER haven't changed in a while. BUT, some fields have changed--as
several others have pointed out. the UA2000 field is indeed the combo of
the old UA field and UA flag. In Arc/Info I just did a redefine--in
ArcView you need to create a new 5 character field and then do a calc into
it of the 2 fields concantenated (go into "start editing", highlight the
new field, go to field->calc and enter UA+UAFLAG--or whatever your fields
are called as long as they are character NOT numeric).
HTH,
jim b
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Tom Reinauer wrote:
> I tried using Tiger Reader in ArcView 3.2a and have had no luck. The UA
> data record also appears to be 1990, not 2000.
> We have cross-border issues and split urbanized areas and would really like
> to see the new boundaries before the Fall.
> Someone out there must know of a fairly simple process(or develop a simple
> process) to convert the boundary data into an ArcView shape file,
> considering the proliferation of ESRI products.
>
> Tom Reinauer, Transportation Director
> Southern Maine RPC
> 21 Bradeen St. Suite 304
> Springvale, ME 04083
> (207)324-2952
> FAX -2958
> treinauer(a)server.eddmaine.org
> www.smrpc.maine.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kendis Willet" <kwillet(a)ardc.org>
> To: <ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:52 AM
> Subject: [CTPP] UA conversion
>
>
> > So, if you are using Arcview 3.2 and ArcInfo 8.1 and are not able to buy a
> > third party software, a person can't process these UA boundaries off the
> > Census site?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kendis
> >
> >
> > Kendis Willet
> > GIS Specialist
> > Metropolitan Interstate Committee
> > Email:
>
While I appreciate hearing about the various methods of converting the UA data with third party converters, I am still most interested in finding out how this might be accomplished using the ArcView 3.2 or Arc8 software, in which we have already invested many thousands of dollars. Frankly, I don't have the budget to purchase any of the additional products that have been mentioned so far. I was under the assumption that the Census Bureau was partnering with ESRI (or vice-versa) so that the users of the products would have easy use of one with the other. So far, "easy" is not one of the words I would use to describe the experience I have had with this. This could not be much more complicated than it is now. Please keep the suggestions coming- I am hoping to find something soon that works.
Lesley Hegewald
Associate GIS Analyst/Data Specialist
Mid-Willamette Valley
Council of Governments
105 High Street SE
Salem, OR 97301
(503)588-6177 phone
(503)588-6094 fax
lhegewald(a)open.org
>>> "Chuck Purvis" <CPurvis(a)mtc.ca.gov> 05/09/02 08:06AM >>>
Hi:
The solution for us in getting our 2000 urbanized areas in ArcView shp format was to purchase (actually, upgrade to) the commercial third-party software TGR2SHP (version 4.2) from www.gistools.com. Very easy to use, especially for non-GIS folks like myself.
As I understand it, this is the software that ESRI will (or perhaps eventually) use to create the urbanized areas for downloading on their www.geographynetwork.com site.
I wouldn't recommend the older TIGER translators available on ESRI's site. They were built for TIGER/Line '97 and older!
(Pardon the commercial plug.)
cheers,
Chuck Purvis
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Charles L. Purvis, AICP
Senior Transportation Planner/Analyst
Metropolitan Transportation Commission
101 Eighth Street
Oakland, CA 94607-4700
(510) 464-7731 (office)
(510) 464-7848 (fax)
www: http://www.mtc.ca.gov/
Census WWW: http://census.mtc.ca.gov/
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The alert eyes (and computer processing skills) of one of the many state
Department of Transportation folks processing the UA Census 2000 TIGER/Line
files has discovered that the 1990 Urban/Rural code on Record Type S in the
UA Census 2000 TIGER/Line files is in error. We have determined that this
affects over 1000 counties, and are now preparing a notice for our web site.
We also are discussing how to best resolve this situation. The error
overstates the extent of the 1990 urban classification in the affected
counties -- some polygons are classified as 1990 urban when they should have
been 1990 rural. The 2000 UA/UC codes and Urban/Rural codes are correct, as
is the 1990 UA code.
Until we determine a solution, the correct 1990 Urban/Rural code is located
on the Census 2000 TIGER/Line files on Record Type A. For both versions
(the Census 2000 and the UA Census 2000 TIGER/Line files), the CENID/POLYID
codes are the same, so you can use the CENID/POLYID as a match key across
these two versions.
Once we have a solution determined, we will let you know.
Bob LaMacchia
Geography Division
U. S. Census Bureau
