Speaking of lumpy flows: my first survey in NY (a 1% hh face to face survey) generated a commuter coming to Manhattan every day down the Hudson in a canoe! So every morning from my window at tri-state I watched for the flotilla of 100 canoes that the survey expected – it never showed up.
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Hi Nick,
In addition to what Todd mentioned, we found a few other factors that are likely to create differences in the ACS vs. LED totals.
I suggest you read the final report we did for NCHRP 8-36, 98, title Improving Employment Data for Transportation Planning. The report presents the findings from a study we did that examines the differences between CTPP and LED data, and contains some interesting and useful tables that compare differences at the state, county, and even Census Tract levels of geography.
You can download a copy of the report from the TRB website at the following URL: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/docs/NCHRP08-36(98)_FR.pdf
Bruce D. Spear, PhD
Cambridge Systematics Inc.
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Cambridge, MA 02140
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fax 617-354-1542
bspear@camsys.com
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----- Message from "Graham, Todd" <todd.graham@metc.state.mn.us> on Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:11:25 -0500 -----
To: | "'ctpp-news@chrispy.net'" <ctpp-news@chrispy.net>, "'lindeman@nashvillempo.org'" <lindeman@nashvillempo.org> |
Subject: | Re: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD |
Reading the documentation of the two data resources: always a good place to start.
At regional or state level of summary, totally different data frames is your main issue:
a. Census ACS counts workers through a household survey, relying on individually-provided info on work. Many kinds of work are counted, including self-employment and occasional casual work.
b. Meanwhile, the LED uses the data frame of BLS QCEW, counting wage & salary jobs that are “covered” by the Unemployment Insurance system. In Minnesota, over 20% of BEA-counted jobs (a broader employment concept) are outside of this frame, are *not* covered, and thus not counted in LED.
At local level, there are still other issues:
a. How well can Census ACS represent job locations?
b. And does the LED program move its workplace locations around on the map, in order to obscure exact location?
Hope that helps. Good luck.
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From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Lindeman, Nicholas (MPO)
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:22 PM
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Subject: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD
I’ve sent the following query to both the ACS and CTPP but have not (yet) received a response. I was hoping someone on the mailing list might be able to provide assistance.
I’ve been working with Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics (LEHD)in On the Map. Specifically worker inflow/outflow analysis at the county level. I’ve discovered that there is a significant difference between the LEHD data and ACS Place of Work data from the 2008-10 3-Year ACS product. I've found that for the Middle Tennessee (Nashville) region the % of workers residing outside their home county is nearly 17 percentage points higher in the LEHD data than in the ACS data. Please see the attached table.
I've been tasked with determining the reason(s) for this difference. Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you,
Nick Lindeman
Nicholas Lindeman
Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area MPO
800 2nd Ave. S.
P.O. Box 196300
Nashville, TN 37219-6300
(615) 862-7198
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----- Message from "Kim, Kyeongsu (DOT)" <kkim@dot.state.ny.us> on Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:00:13 -0400 -----
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Subject: | Re: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD |
Hi Nick,
The difference comes from different data sample.
As you know, ACS estimates are based on the survey samples. The upcoming 5 year CTPP will be based on same samples.
On the other hand, the LEHD incorporates diverse datasets. There exists possibility of having significant difference between ACS and LEHD.
I believe, however, Census Bureau tries to minimize the gap.
FYI, please find the link that NYCDOT under Nathan Erlbaum (who just left us in April) examined.
https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/policy-and-strategy/darb/dai-unit/ttss/cttp_acs
Hope this help,
Kyeongsu Kim
Census and Travel Survey
NY Metropolitan Transportation Council
199 Water Street 22nd fl
New York, NY 10038
kkim@dot.state.ny.us
1-212-383-7233
From: ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Lindeman, Nicholas (MPO)
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 4:22 PM
To: 'ctpp-news@ryoko.chrispy.net'
Subject: [CTPP] ACS/CTPP vs LEHD
I’ve sent the following query to both the ACS and CTPP but have not (yet) received a response. I was hoping someone on the mailing list might be able to provide assistance.
I’ve been working with Longitudinal Employer-Household Dynamics (LEHD)in On the Map. Specifically worker inflow/outflow analysis at the county level. I’ve discovered that there is a significant difference between the LEHD data and ACS Place of Work data from the 2008-10 3-Year ACS product. I've found that for the Middle Tennessee (Nashville) region the % of workers residing outside their home county is nearly 17 percentage points higher in the LEHD data than in the ACS data. Please see the attached table.
I've been tasked with determining the reason(s) for this difference. Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated
Thank you,
Nick Lindeman
Nicholas Lindeman
Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area MPO
800 2nd Ave. S.
P.O. Box 196300
Nashville, TN 37219-6300
(615) 862-7198
lindeman@nashvillempo.org
http://www.nashvillempo.org
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