If you see the point about the problem of comparing
overlapping 3 year ACS estimates, it gets even worse with consecutive 5
year numbers, in which 4 of the 5 years are the same data.
Personally, I think there's a strong argument for releasing 5 year data
only twice a decade, by definition non-overlapping. We may get to that
point in a couple of years.
Patty Becker
At 03:53 PM 2/1/2011, you wrote:
Frank-I totally agree and I
would like to see the statisticians get involved and think about this.
People are going to compare overlapping periods and we have to get smart
about how to deal with this.
As for why some say we should not compare overlapping years the story
goes like this. If you have 2006 to 2008 data and 2007 to 2009 data
you would have two overlapping years. According to the logic you
would in fact only be comparing the first year 2006 to the last year 2009
as the middle two years would cancel themselves out. While this
sounds logical on the surface there has to be a way to deal with
overlapping 5-year periods or it doesn't make sense to have an
ACS.
I am not sure if anyone would out right admit it but is anyone designing
performance measures or other regional metrics calling for tracking
annual multi-year period estimates at tracts or places?
Frank Lenk wrote:
I would also be interested in a
more detailed explanation of why we should not compare overlapping period
estimates. From a practical standpoint, people are going to do it
anyway, especially the press. What do we need to know - other than
the inherent issues of what is a statistically significant vs.
insignificant change and the fact that ACS was designed to examine
characteristics of the population rather than its level - to be able to
correct naïve interpretations of easily calculated tract-level
year-to-year differences in the estimates of things like poverty rate,
unemployment rate, educational attainment rates, etc.? What is a correct
interpretation of these differences?
Frank
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mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kendra
Watkins
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 10:05 AM
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Subject: RE: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
This is interesting. I recall hearing this guidance in the past. However
on the Census website on the ACS page it specifically states;
"Generally, you can compare American Community Survey (ACS) 3-year
and 5-year estimates with Census 2000 data. There are differences in the
universe, question wording, residence rules, reference periods, and the
way in which the data are tabulated which can impact
comparability."
The qualifier in the second sentence addresses the conflict (different
methods, time periods etc) but I can't find anywhere on the ACS pages
where the Census recommends we not compare ACS to decennial Census. And
when I search by subject the Journey to Work topic states that I can
'Compare' it to the 2000 Census.
It does specifically state not to compare overlapping years on multiyear
estimates.
Kendra Watkins
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mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Weinberger,
Penelope
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:41 AM
To: ctpp-news@chrispy.net
Subject: RE: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
The CB does not recommend comparing an ACS based data set to a CB Long
Form based data set. The 2000 data represent a point in time
estimate, the ACS data represent a period estimate. Furthermore,
the Census Bureau recommends not comparing period estimates with
overlapping years.
Penelope Weinberger
CTPP Program Manager
AASHTO
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http://ctpp.transportation.org/Pages/default.aspx
It's just as bad to not make a plan as to blindly follow the one you
already have.
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mailto:ctpp-news-bounces@chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Seidensticker,
Dan
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 4:18 PM
To: (ctpp-news@chrispy.net)
Subject: [CTPP] 2000 and 2006-08 work trip comparison question.
We downloaded the2006-2008 ACS county-to-county worker flow for Dane
County, Wisconsin from
http://ctpp.transportation.org/Pages/3yrdas.aspx.
The question we now have...can that data be compared to the
county-to-county 2000 CTPP work trips to determine any
statistically significant increase/decrease? If so, how would one
calculate the margin of error?
Dan Seidensticker
GIS Specialist
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