This is why five year average data do, and will, need to be used with caution.  No one would want to average 2003-7 in New Orleans!  That's why it's good that we will have the 1 year data sets for places of 65,000 or more population and 3 year data sets for places of 20,000 or more.  Ten years from now we can write articles analyzing the good and bad of 5 year accumulations of data.  For now, we just have to be careful.

I completely agree that sampling error and absence of group quarters both raise their ugly heads when working with ACS data.  But including group quarters, if the bureau gets to do it, won't solve the whole problem, because there is likely to be a lot of sampling error there.

Patty Becker


At 04:50 PM 09/13/2005, you wrote:
I think there is a major problem in the ACS survey data for 2004 because of not including group quarters.  Princeton University is in Mercer County, and a good part of its student population is housed in dorms or eating groups (fraternities), which are group quarters.  Something like 40% of the work trips in Princeton Boro are walk to work, probably mostly univeristy related jobs, and students employed within the Boro.  The ACS leaving out group quarters may explain part of this. I also have a problem with aggregating 5 years of data and calling it a 5 year average.  NJT opened a 33 mile Light Rail line in early 2004, connecting Trenton to Camden.  I noticed in the Burlington County data a big jump in "railroad" work trips, probably related to this new rail line. How does a major change in transit service get averaged with 3 other years when it is a permanent change.  This applies to any region where a major change in transit service gets implemented.  What about possible sh!
 ifts in carpooling this year due to gas prices.  A 5 year average may not be worth much.  I think Dr. Zakaria raises some real issues here, especially with big error rates, and I think major changes in transit service, gas prices etc. can skew things.

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2004 ACS Data Release by Thabet Zakaria dated September 12, 2005 is resubmitted in PDF.





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